I Think I Need An Upgrade?

[hijaked]

hi how are you all

thinking about making my car quicker... but safety first.. as mum says

i have a r33 gtst, my pads have nearly had it, but i was thinking about giving the car better brakes.

The car doesn't have ABS... what should i upgrade. what does everyone else do, how much will it all cost.

Thanks for your time

Dave

[dangerous_daveo]

Pads, rotors, fluid, and lines. If the calipers need it get them reco'ed as well.

Search for what gear to go for.

[slip]

exactly right. just get good pads/fluid/lines. if you are hard on brakes, id get some slotted rotors as well. you can get them anyway, bit more bite and better when charging hard.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

how much power do you plan on running? r33 gts-t brakes are fairly good, i'd be more concerned about getting a good brand of tyre

keep in mind, if you can lock up your wheels braking, then your brakes are fine, it's your tyres.... (though don't make a habit of locking up your wheels, you'll flat spot the tyres)

replace pads with a good brand, and check rotor thickness, replace if required.

Edited May 31, 2006 by MerlinTheHapyPig

[hijaked]

hmm, not too much roughly 230 ish at the wheels. its only 165 now

ive used to having tyres 9"wide with some decent yokohamas.

i had to down grade to stockies.... useless really, i hate them, barely legal tyres now. my friend kindly left some flat spots in them the other day, jsut to make my wet dirivng a little more challanging.

ill do the brakes after i get new wheels, i want at least 8" wide tyres.

what brand pads do people use, and how much do they cost??

im a uni student, and the power mods are already breaking my balls!!

thats why im keepling a tally of all the costs.

[shanef]

DBA 400 slotted rotors ~$220 ea

Ferodo DS2500 pads front (update when i get home and look at receipt)

Racebrakes RB74 rear pads (update when i get home and look at receipt)

Braided lines ~$200

Motul 600 brake fluid $piss all, go to ur local repco

That's what i was running on my R33 Stopped on a dime, came up to temp really good, no brake fade, excellent set-up for street use plus the odd track event.

For my 32 gtr i'll be running DBA 4000 sloted rotors, HAWK HT14 front pads, HAWK HT10 rear pads, rebuild callipers, braided lines and Motul 600 fluid. But this car will be used heavily for track work.

[slip]

merlin -

keep in mind, if you can lock up your wheels braking, then your brakes are fine, it's your tyres

that is so very wrong. it just means your brakes are working. I could lock up bridgestone s03's with sock r31 brakes. they sucked.

i have a setup very similar to shanef above and its a good setup for hard road/timetrial/trackday use.

[Craved]

merlin -

that is so very wrong. it just means your brakes are working. I could lock up bridgestone s03's with sock r31 brakes. they sucked.

i have a setup very similar to shanef above and its a good setup for hard road/timetrial/trackday use.

definately a big difference between locking up on hard braking and sudden braking ..

the idea he posted was correct, but lots of variables obviously

[LTHLRB]

the r33 gts-t brake lines from the caliper to the hose are shit.. what can i do to replace those?

also the best discs and pads are the dba slotted and the blitz pads with motul brake fluid.

[shanef]

the r33 gts-t brake lines from the caliper to the hose are shit.. what can i do to replace those?

also the best discs and pads are the dba slotted and the blitz pads with motul brake fluid.

take them off and go down to ur local autobarn and get them to make some braided lines up. make sure u get the plastic cover of the braide so dirt wont get in there and over time they'll fall apart.

wat do you base your theory that blitz pads are the best? what application do you recommend these for? it has been stated many times previous (from many people) that the ferodo's and racebrakes are the best for street applications with the odd track run.

however seeing as my gtr will be mainly used for track duties and hillclimbs etc, HAWK pads will be what ill be going for.

i started a thread regarding calliper uprgrades, i recommend you go and read what is in there as there is alot of great advice from people who actually know what they are tlaking about.

[R DIRTY 3]

As an option, i have 33GTSt series 2. I picked up a set of standard 32 GTR brakes for a couple hundred dollars and they were bolt on. Made big difference to how it stopped.

[Craved]

As an option, i have 33GTSt series 2. I picked up a set of standard 32 GTR brakes for a couple hundred dollars and they were bolt on. Made big difference to how it stopped.

i was under the impression that these are the same calipers anyway.

[r33_racer]

I concur with Craved, I believe i saw on that table Roy posted up ages ago in here somewhere that the 33 gtst and 32 gtr brakes are very similiar if not identical in caliper piston size. But i think configuration might have been slightly different, the details on that part evade me there sorry. Should find that table and repost it.

[r33_racer]

ok here it is. Courtesy of Roy from another post.

R32 GTST

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 25.4

Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 280×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

R33 GTST

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 23.8

Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

Now the interesting bit...

R32 GTR (Non V-Spec,)

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 25.4

Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40.4 ×4

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 296×32

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 38.18×2

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 297×18

R32 GTR V-Spec / R33 / 34 GTR with Brembos

Master Cylinder diam (mm) - 26.9

Front Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - (44+38)×2 ... leading pistons smaller then trailing

Front rotors (diam x thk) - 324×30

Rear Caliper Piston(diam x qty) - 40×2

Rear Rotors (diam x thk) - 300×22

So there isnt much difference between the Brembos and the std Nissan R32/33 GTST calipers and R32 GTR calipers

[predator]

yup.. r32 gtr brakes will make SFA difference as they are the same specs.. Only the condition of them would make any difference.

Also the rears on the R32/R33/R34 turbos and R32 GTR are exactly the same specs for setup, disc size, caliper. Again, only age would play the difference.

The DBA catalogue is a great reference for the different specs on the Nissan range to see any differences.

[PMATT]

Most guys coming through my shop want DBA4000 rotors and our RB74 pads or Ferodo Formula pads.Braided lines and fluid are the next choice if doing track days.If anyone wants prices pm me.

[LTHLRB]

take them off and go down to ur local autobarn and get them to make some braided lines up. make sure u get the plastic cover of the braide so dirt wont get in there and over time they'll fall apart.

Would i be able to get some braided brake lines off here? (SAU)

[shanef]

Would i be able to get some braided brake lines off here? (SAU)

have a look here http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...topic=94777&hl=

[Duncan]

I don't see why anyone would use any pads mroe expensive than bendix ultimates for street and light track, cheap and they are very good (bite and heat rating). $110ish for fronts

If you are doing serious track work its a bit different then go for something specific for the regular higher temps but there is a trade off in braking performance when they are cold which I think is an issue on the street.

[R DIRTY 3]

now you guys have made me feel my brakes are crap haha the rotors were obviously the big difference. bigger, cross drilled etc. I did not spec the calipers but knew they were not that different. However, i still think they work alot better but that may be the pads that are used which i dont know what brand. They are good enough for what i do with the car anyway. But good to see the info you all came up with. As a new member, im impressed

Thanks

R Dirty 3