Ecu Upgrade

[Ryan.R34]

+1 for Power FC

[nikr33turb]

+ 1 for e-manage ultimate..The fact that it can be updated as new software comes out won it for me. and it doesnt hurt that its a lil cheaper than the pfc. Getting one installed in about two weeks should be good.

[rb26s13]

not a fan of the emanage blue.. havent played with emanage ultimate so i'd go for a powerfc

[33gtst]

Re-map it!!! Keep all your current ecu functions that may not be offered by pfc or tricked by forms of mgmt. And enhance the std maps to best suit your current mods.

[Strik3r]

Microtech. proven ECU, plenty of tuners, no AFM, $1500 from RacePace (Forum sponser)

[WARLORD]

power fc, easy to tune and there's more people that can tune them.

[N I B]

Hard to get and bloody hard to find someone to fix tho.

[silverr34gtt]

Emanage Ultimate is the sensible choice.

[R338OY]

OK OK you guys sure like to give a 'variety' of opinions...

So it's a PFC/EMU/Re-map/any of the other bloody numerous piggyback systems that i can choose?

Sounds like most of u recommend the Emanage Ultimate. Well i'm happy to go for whatever is best for decent street power and the occassional circuit day. Not interested in drags btw.

So for around $1500 i can have an EMU installed and tuned, with the speed limit restriction removed (car can then do 240km/h i'm told), two map settings (i.e. high/low boost) and it can be upgraded with new software as it comes out, meaning it will be a good long term investment.

The PFC sounds too dear and too old now, and doing a stock ECU remap sounds OK, but i wanna give it some decent mods (incl. turbo upgrade) and up the power to app. 220rwkw, with some basic adjustability. I'm told a remap is limited in some ways.

Is this sounding OK, or am i complete d!ck?

[Dr_Drift]

You are in no way a complete dick.... Whoever told you remaps were limited is however!

With a re-map you havre the same flexability as a PFC, with the benefits of being a factory ECU, retaining full consult interface & diagnostics, active knock sensor feed back, and it doesn't require any changes to wiring / adaptor looms / sensor manipulation etc etc...

The factory ECU can easily produce the power you are after, whilst still retaining the the reliability and safety of a Nissan engineered product!

my 2c

Sam.

BTW: Total Outlay would be around $1300 including ECU modifcations, and all dyno time. Further retuning does not involve any 'remap fees' or bs like that, just simple dyno time, and is not password protected, or encrypted, so ANYONE with basic remapping skills can retune your car...

[R338OY]

Thanks Sam

A remap was something i was unsure about...one thing i'm not sure about with it is do i have different 'modes' or settings that i can choose, like with a hand controller on a PFC???

That's what i'm after, i don't want ALL the engines power available when i'm driving to the shops, if you get me. I want FLEXIBILITY, cause a stockish 33 isn't of course. Is the remap option flexible?

Thanks mate

[R33silverS2]

Oh yep fair enough.

Plug and play units seemed to still cost around the $500 mark for initial tune and installation (plugging it in..).

As far as I know they don't come programmed with a base map hey, so the tuner has to practically start from scratch?

Thanks for the info, I will do some research.

I'd say things like the ultimate wouldn't need a base map like other ecu's (power fc etc) cos it is still a piggy back ecu, so the stock ecu which stays in the car would act as its 'base map'. I personally am looking into an autronic smc, which are supposed to be very good ecu's.

[TTT]

Thanks Sam

A remap was something i was unsure about...one thing i'm not sure about with it is do i have different 'modes' or settings that i can choose, like with a hand controller on a PFC???

That's what i'm after, i don't want ALL the engines power available when i'm driving to the shops, if you get me. I want FLEXIBILITY, cause a stockish 33 isn't of course. Is the remap option flexible?

Thanks mate

I just don't get this logic.

having 2 maps seems like a "keeping up with the jones' " crap.

Why does the tune need to be different or the boost setting be different when you are on the track or going to westfields?

get it tuned to the best, safest limit, then leave it.

if you are going to the shops, make a quick adjustment to signal that goes from brain to right foot and your set.

if you have it tuned with stock turbo and have 200rwkw on 12psi of boost... that is perfect.

so if you are tooting around the streets or shops, just don't fang the f*k out of it as if you were coming on to the straight of a race track.

If Sam has got the R33 remaps just as good as his R32 ones, and he is not charging anything except tuning time for future updates (I believe the first r33 rechips used to be write once, test, throw away, write another, test etc..), then it is definitely a good comparison to the after market stuff.

Just a question for Sam I guess.

is the factory ecu programable to use Z32 or Q45 AFM?

I'd say they would be but a confirmation is good.

and do you have any information on line somewhere about r33 ecu remaps?

didn't think they had the "board" to add chips to.

cheers.

[R338OY]

I'd say things like the ultimate wouldn't need a base map like other ecu's (power fc etc) cos it is still a piggy back ecu, so the stock ecu which stays in the car would act as its 'base map'. I personally am looking into an autronic smc, which are supposed to be very good ecu's.

Is the Autronic a piggyback unit too?

[TTT]

autronic is a $2K plus stand alone engine management system.

[R338OY]

Oohhh sh!t

Ok i'm gonna pass on the Autronic

What about going for a second hand Power FC or Emanage Ultimate? Do they keep well or deteriorate over time?

[TTT]

they are electronic..

they keep fine.

I think I've only heard of one PFC frying a board and that was due to "someone" playing with things..

*cough* CUBES *cough*

second hand would be fine.

I'd personally be looking at the remap of the factory ecu.

I wonder what tuning range they have..

is it 16x16 like the PFC?

anyone?

Sam?

[LatinR33]

a R33 factory remap that is re-tunable sounds the good to me. Any more information on this like functionality(tuning range),price etc would be great.

Edited September 20, 2007 by LatinR33

[Dr_Drift]

The only different mode's you may need are different boost levels, most of my clients run the turbo tech single stage boost control which has only the one boost, and if less boost (power) is needed they simply use less throttle

[TTT]

hmmm interesting theory this "less throttle"