Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Birds]

Each to their own, some people find statistical goals useful, others prefer to measure how well they're doing with notches on the belt or a glance in the mirror. There is such a thing as being too low in bf, shredded can look ugly, so there's support for not having a specific KG goal and using the mirror instead. You also don't want to be so light that someone will throw you around in a contact sport or a fight lol. But on the whole muscles do look much sexier when they aren't surrounded by fat.

[GTR_JOEY]

your right about the not getting too light, being bigger sure does have its advantages

asthetically u look bigger under a shirt, but woudlnt mind keeping the size with the abs showing through... obviously you cant have both unless ur juiced up

ill just train hard and eat right and see what happens... cant go wrong with that haha

[God_speed]

You want to be able to look good in a shirt as well as out of one

Heaps cut but less muscle mass = look good without a shirt but no one will give you a second look in one; when bulking up you'll look good in a shirt but can look soft and undefined when you take it off.

[GTR_JOEY]

You want to be able to look good in a shirt as well as out of one

Heaps cut but less muscle mass = look good without a shirt but no one will give you a second look in one; when bulking up you'll look good in a shirt but can look soft and undefined when you take it off.

that is the dilemma,

unless ur one of my mates who is 120kg and mildly ripped

stupid genetics

[TM7GTR]

Holy crap how tall is this friend of yours? ^^

[GTR_JOEY]

The guy on the right.. just incase u didnt know haha

Edited March 8, 2012 by GTR_JOEY

[God_speed]

Each to their own, some people find statistical goals useful, others prefer to measure how well they're doing with notches on the belt or a glance in the mirror. There is such a thing as being too low in bf, shredded can look ugly, so there's support for not having a specific KG goal and using the mirror instead. You also don't want to be so light that someone will throw you around in a contact sport or a fight lol. But on the whole muscles do look much sexier when they aren't surrounded by fat.

Here's something I reckon a few of you boys will like, some of you might have seen it before.

A guy has analysed dozens of elite bodybuilding competitors from 1947 up to 2010; those who apparently were competing in natural competitions. Obviously, many of us know what that means; in brief, that at the time of testing you had not recently used gear and the testing methods are somewhat dubious. However, what he found after poring through a tonne of statistical data, was there there is a very good correlation between the body weight of competitors, and their height and bone structure, as defined by wrist girth and ankle girth. The calculation also takes into account body fat percentage.

Anyway, there is an interesting article that accompanies the calculator if you feel like a bit of a read, but in any case the calculator is here. You'll see the link to the article on that page. Unfortunately you need to input your measurements in imperial units.

For those of us trying to maximise muscle mass, knowing how much muscle can realistically be developed without resorting to gear is very valuable knowledge. Due to all the guys we see around who are on the juice, either in pro BB or just in the local gym, many of us who aren't interested in juicing have got no idea of our actual potential - we either over estimte what we can achieve, or become defeatist and set our goals too low.

Now clearly, one can't really expect to reach 100% of what the calculator spits out; there are so many variables involved such as sleep, diet, body type, naturally-ocurring testosterone in the body, and not least genetics, plus the fact that generally all of us are gainfully employed and don't have time to train for 2 hours, 3 times a day. But it at least allows us to get some perspective.

About 9 months ago I was hovering between 80-85 kilos and about 17% bf maybe. I've worked my ass off to get to 80 kilos with 13.3% bf and am really happy with that, but like everyone else can see room for improvement here and there.

My stats;

Height: 69"

Wrist 7"

Ankle 8.75"

Bodyfat 13.3%

= Max bodyweight of 203.5lb = 93kg muscular / 211.7lb = 96kg bulked.

So if I kept my body fat the same as today, the theoretical maximum bodyweight I could be, natural, would be to gain 13kgs of muscle. Again, that's based on pro/amateur BB'ers, so even if I was to achieve 60-70% of that over the next several years (about 88kgs @ 13%bf) I'd be extremely happy.

In an ideal world, I'd also want to be about 10% bf, so my max muscular would be 88kg / 91kg bulked. At 2 kgs of lean muscle per year, that would take me 4 years to achieve.

Anyway, hope some of you guys enjoy.

[God_speed]

The guy on the right.. just incase u didnt know haha

Unit.

He'd be about, what 6'4 though?

[GTR_JOEY]

na bout an inch bigger then me so 6.2, maybe a touch less

[TM7GTR]

That calculator is awesome Matt, I entered 10% BF (this is what I want to achieve eventually) and it came up with 93-94kg. Target set

[Trozzle]

I'm currently 73.5kg

FUCK YOU TO HELL TONSILLITIS!!! FUCK!!! YOU!!!!!

Yes I realise a fair crack of this will be fluids. lol still shits me to tears that I haven't had this since late 90s

[Birds]

You want to be able to look good in a shirt as well as out of one

Heaps cut but less muscle mass = look good without a shirt but no one will give you a second look in one; when bulking up you'll look good in a shirt but can look soft and undefined when you take it off.

Hahahaha so true. It probably doesn't help that you'll wear the same size clothing when you are bulked and when you are cut. When I was 89kg (still fairly lean, I didn't have a gut), all the friends said I looked like a tank...but they only saw me in the tight fitting T shirts. When I would sit down in my car, I could see the small rolls of fat compress above my pants and belts that were comfortable when standing became uncomfortable when sitting

Now at ~80kg with what I believe is the same muscle mass and the only compliments I get are from the missus or other gym junkies.

The guy on the right.. just incase u didnt know haha

LOL, that boat looks like it would struggle to carry him. He looks taller than 6'2 but it probably helps that there is a shorter/smaller guy behind him.

I play against these 120kg+ giants in footy (AFL) sometimes. The f**kers should be playing rugby! They are shit slow to move around, but, when you're in a marking contest, f**k. They come down on your foot, studs and all, and it takes about a week for the pain to go away.

[God_speed]

That calculator is awesome Matt, I entered 10% BF (this is what I want to achieve eventually) and it came up with 93-94kg. Target set

I know hey Tom. Gives you some perspective. As I said it's not perfect, and to even get to 70% of that maximum would be brilliant, but at least it helps with setting a goal. Of course my main goal is to look good (and be fit) but I'm a numbers man as well, I like to be able to quantify things. Not the be all and end all, but it helps

I'm currently 73.5kg

F UCK YOU TO HELL TONSILLITIS!!! F UCK!!! YOU!!!!!

Yes I realise a fair crack of this will be fluids. lol still shits me to tears that I haven't had this since late 90s

Mate let us know what your weight is 1 week after you get better; I bet you bounce back. Just rest up and keep drinking the water. I swear once I had tonsilitis on one side and when it finally got better the other one went off a week later (swapped sides somehow)... gave me the shits!

Hahahaha so true. It probably doesn't help that you'll wear the same size clothing when you are bulked and when you are cut. When I was 89kg (still fairly lean, I didn't have a gut), all the friends said I looked like a tank...but they only saw me in the tight fitting T shirts. When I would sit down in my car, I could see the small rolls of fat compress above my pants and belts that were comfortable when standing became uncomfortable when sitting

Now at ~80kg with what I believe is the same muscle mass and the only compliments I get are from the missus or other gym junkies.

LOL, that boat looks like it would struggle to carry him. He looks taller than 6'2 but it probably helps that there is a shorter/smaller guy behind him.

I play against these 120kg+ giants in footy (AFL) sometimes. The f**kers should be playing rugby! They are shit slow to move around, but, when you're in a marking contest, f**k. They come down on your foot, studs and all, and it takes about a week for the pain to go away.

Yeah I bet you run circles round em. Gotta play to your strengths! I reckon they'd be tiring a lot faster as well; they gotta lug an extra 40kgs around. AFL players physiques are better suited to medium distance (~400m) running I reckon; NRL / Rugby players are more suited to short distance (~100-200m). So those dudes you play with would be better suited to league or union for sure.

Yeah I still wear shirts that are about 10 years old

Cardio after work today I think.

Edited March 8, 2012 by God_speed

[Basti]

I'm currently 73.5kg

F UCK YOU TO HELL TONSILLITIS!!! F UCK!!! YOU!!!!!

Yes I realise a fair crack of this will be fluids. lol still shits me to tears that I haven't had this since late 90s

how tall are you again? im almost exactly the same weight as you haha. my goals atm is to fill out a shirt properly. im sick of having room to move inside a size 39 neck slimfit

[Trozzle]

how tall are you again? im almost exactly the same weight as you haha. my goals atm is to fill out a shirt properly. im sick of having room to move inside a size 39 neck slimfit

173cm I think it was when I measured myself last, lol

[GTR_JOEY]

Hahahaha so true. It probably doesn't help that you'll wear the same size clothing when you are bulked and when you are cut. When I was 89kg (still fairly lean, I didn't have a gut), all the friends said I looked like a tank...but they only saw me in the tight fitting T shirts. When I would sit down in my car, I could see the small rolls of fat compress above my pants and belts that were comfortable when standing became uncomfortable when sitting

Now at ~80kg with what I believe is the same muscle mass and the only compliments I get are from the missus or other gym junkies.

LOL, that boat looks like it would struggle to carry him. He looks taller than 6'2 but it probably helps that there is a shorter/smaller guy behind him.

I play against these 120kg+ giants in footy (AFL) sometimes. The f**kers should be playing rugby! They are shit slow to move around, but, when you're in a marking contest, f**k. They come down on your foot, studs and all, and it takes about a week for the pain to go away.

haha yae obviously the bigger u get the more u slow down, even a couple of kilos here and there count..

f**kin amazing thing is though he'll still run a 2.4km in the 9 mins, and can sprint fairly well too... some people are just machines

[Dani Boi]

173cm I think it was when I measured myself last, lol

imo 73kg, 5"8 at ~10% looks good

Edited March 9, 2012 by Dani Boi

[Basti]

173cm I think it was when I measured myself last, lol

Yeah well i'm at least 10cm taller than you. Got a ways to go yet. 80 kg is my goal for this year

[TM7GTR]

Eat like a monster ^^

[10 4]

Im 173cm and 80kg lol. Still bulking though.. Got a gut atm - not cool... Going to wait till after exams, November-ish to cut and I don't take any supps, just a shake in the morning.