Gym And Supplement Discussion

[NickR33]

75kg puts you in direct competition with the one they call angry dwarf.

He's benched double bodyweight, squats close to triple and deadlifts just over triple

nice abs though.

Emad? he's a top bloke, was giving me some deadlift advice and pumping me up... if that guy told me to pick up the bar in my teeth and probably do it... fckn beast

[Birds]

75kg puts you in direct competition with the one they call angry dwarf.

He's benched double bodyweight, squats close to triple and deadlifts just over triple

nice abs though.

What is he, like 5'3?

[TTT]

Nick - nah a younger guy from up here in QLD.

I was 89.6 on saturday.

but since injury after injury, I've decided no more comps this year.

I'll spend the time to recover and use more reps for a while.

I'm looking to compete next year in the 83kg group.

Birds - yeah about that................... wide.

[markos]

Emad is the best 75kg raw lifter in Australia, ever. The only guy to total 600kg, and he's done it twice, not shitty comps either, at a Nationals and a Worlds

He has no competition at 75kg so he's moving up to the 82.5kg class

If you mean Mike, Tolga, he went head to head with Emad at ProRawThree in the 80kg class

Mike totaled 615kg and Emad went 622.5kg

Its a pity Emad wont compete at 75kg again because his totals were done with a bad shoulder that had just been reconstructed. He only benched 120kg at Worlds but benched 150kg at ProRawThree.

Maybe if someone steps up and takes his All Time Australian 75kg record, all Feds, he will come back and reclaim it.

His best lifts at between 75-78kg are 232.5kg squat, 152.5kg bench and 270kg deadlift

[markos]

I reckon Ben Bouchereau from QLD will break Emads 80kg ProRaw record of 622.5kg, he's the best sub 80kg lifter in QLD currently. I reckon he will go 640kg@79kg

[TTT]

saw Ben on Saturday..

he's in good condition.

should do well in PR4

ahhh

supps thread..

umm.. so anyone used Purple Wraath?

Edited October 11, 2012 by TTT

[TM7GTR]

I don't understand how it can be counter-productive. As I've said before I monitor my calories on a day-day basis so that I am eating enough to cover training/recovery.

I don't do cardio.

I eat 210g protein, 400g carbs, 120g fats per day 7x a week.

It's not a 'slow way' its the smartest way. Eating more than what your body needs is pointless.

lol not to be too much of a dick, but 210g protein sounds like a bit more than your body needs.

Agreed Nick - I only use bodybuilders as an extreme example of how diet affects muscle growth and training in the gym. On a closer to home level, we're talking a couple kg of fat that might make your abs less visible or disappear (as I said, trying to keep <10% and gain muscle is harder and takes longer than not caring what your BF% gets to).

From my personal experience, it was a lot easier for me to get through workouts at 89kg than it is at 79kg...and I was making more strength gains back then because I had a larger supply of fuel. That being said, I love the way I look now and wouldn't trade it for extra strength or body weight. So in the end, it's whichever makes you happy, but there are compromises everywhere.

hehe bodybuilders have no place here... to bulk - Dbol and tons of food

to cut - train hard but tren harder

[TM7GTR]

So I tried a pre workout after not using one for over a year. Must be high in Beta Alanine because I had a tingly asshole, face, and balls.

[Trozzle]

So I tried a pre workout after not using one for over a year. Must be high in Beta Alanine because I had a tingly asshole, face, and balls.

Now that's just kinky.

[Birds]

All the places you want a girl to put her tongue...maybe not in that order

[markos]

210gms too much?

f**k, I better tell my lifters lol

In all seriousness, you should match your training to your diet, not the other way around like most do

I find that most lifters should go to the gym and just do 1 set of calf raises then go home

[TM7GTR]

Markos, it would depend on his level of activity and conditioning obviously (not to mention body type and figures), so how much would you recommend then?

While 210g may be too much for him, it doesn't mean it would apply to all of your lifters.

For example I'm 87kg, lifting 5 times per week. If I consume 210g that's 2.4gr/kg/bw which is a pretty damn solid intake and my body sure wouldn't effectively use more unless I started training twice a day.

[TM7GTR]

All the places you want a girl to put her tongue...maybe not in that order

Woaaahhhh... you let girls lick your a-hole?

Thats kinda nasty.

[markos]

Tom, we have MUCH more than that, but we train with VERY heavy weights

Max would weigh 69kg on that intake, I think he hits 200gm by his 3rd meal at 12.00pm

[markos]

The minimum I recommend for serious lifters is 2gms per LB of bw

Max has to squat 200kg x 10 next week weighing 85kg.

He would have around 400gms a day, he trains 6 x week with heavy weights, no fluff at all

[TM7GTR]

Interesting. Don't take this as a smart-ass reply (because it isn't, i'm rather intrigued), but how did you come to these figures as being legit?

I've researched and researched, but I can't seem to find any solid evidence that a relatively high protein intake as you mention is beneficial.

All the research I've found simply states that too much at any one time is excreted, but they don't tell you about a high intake over the period of a whole day.

At the same time though, I should note that no one is yet to prove a high intake is of any harm on a healthy individual.

Do you have any articles backed by proper research I could have a read through?

Again, not challenging you, rather trying to gain some insight.

[Dani Boi]

lol not to be too much of a dick, but 210g protein sounds like a bit more than your body needs.

Carbs make me bloat/full all the time, so I would rather increase protein macro and have less carbs. It still falls under the general bb'ing guidlines of 2-3g per kg of bodyweight.

[markos]

You should question EVERYTHING Tom, I do

2gms per lb is a measurement I read about 30 years ago in BB magazines

Anyway I do my own research, real world stuff.

Nearly 3 years ago I had Max and Dim training side by side in the gym, same program

They were having a race to a 100kg bench press, both weighed around 68kg

Max's eating was perfect, Dim was 25 and not paying much attention to nutrition, regular guy with protein drinks and 3 meals a day, I'd say around 200gms of protein a day

Dim beat Max to a 100kg bench by about a week.

Three years later Dim still eats the same, though he weighs 78kg. Max weighs 85kg. Dim benches 107.5kg on a very good day. Max has continued to increase his protein as he got heavier. He now benches 155kg

They train in the same gym, same programs, same coach, only difference is diet and lifestyle

I dont need a book or a lab coat to tell me where the difference lies

I am very priveledged in that when I give advice I have hundreds of lifters to draw experience from, most only train themselves

I reckon 50-60gms per meal is a good amount to start with

Max cooks 3 steaks every morning after eating 5 eggs and 5 bits of bacon for breakfast, washed down with a home made get big drink. He boils a pot of potatoes and has steak and potatoes for meal 2,3 and 4, peanut butter sandwiches next, protein drink during training, dinner at home, more milk before bed

If Dim did this, he too would be benching upwards of 140kg, but he doesnt

[Birds]

Woah, I thought my diet was a pain in the ass to upkeep.

Woaaahhhh... you let girls lick your a-hole?

Thats kinda nasty.

Girls I don't plan on kissing again

[TM7GTR]

You should question EVERYTHING Tom, I do

2gms per lb is a measurement I read about 30 years ago in BB magazines

Anyway I do my own research, real world stuff.

Nearly 3 years ago I had Max and Dim training side by side in the gym, same program

They were having a race to a 100kg bench press, both weighed around 68kg

Max's eating was perfect, Dim was 25 and not paying much attention to nutrition, regular guy with protein drinks and 3 meals a day, I'd say around 200gms of protein a day

Dim beat Max to a 100kg bench by about a week.

Three years later Dim still eats the same, though he weighs 78kg. Max weighs 85kg. Dim benches 107.5kg on a very good day. Max has continued to increase his protein as he got heavier. He now benches 155kg

They train in the same gym, same programs, same coach, only difference is diet and lifestyle

I dont need a book or a lab coat to tell me where the difference lies

I am very priveledged in that when I give advice I have hundreds of lifters to draw experience from, most only train themselves

I reckon 50-60gms per meal is a good amount to start with

Max cooks 3 steaks every morning after eating 5 eggs and 5 bits of bacon for breakfast, washed down with a home made get big drink. He boils a pot of potatoes and has steak and potatoes for meal 2,3 and 4, peanut butter sandwiches next, protein drink during training, dinner at home, more milk before bed

If Dim did this, he too would be benching upwards of 140kg, but he doesnt

Great insight, thanks for that Markos