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Piece of advice:

Take it to court and plead not guilty and hire a lawyer -> you've more chances of winning

Take it to court and plead not guilty and not hire a lawyer -> less chances of you winning

Happy to explain this more since i've been targeted few times unnecessary and giving you advice from recent experience. If you were definitely not speeding then you should take it to court.

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Get real legal advice. Saying that someone on an internet forum said this said that doesnt really mean crap unless there is backing proof.

Each case is different and there is always two sides to the story no matter how much evidence one side has/hasnt got.

Look Im no expert but Im sure you'll most likely get off, Incorrect procedure followed by officers, especially the recorded voice conversation.

The only way I see you get done for it is if they exclude the voice recording due to it not being brought to your attention (this would be a shit)

I wish you all the best.

Oh in regards to the letter of wrong doing.. Its wont happen! You say sorry, you admit wrong doing. This is why police will never say sorry.

It will open a hole for you to sue, and they dont want that.

for example, The stolen generation and the sorry from Australians (this is why the government never intended to say sorry) 100 cases now on the logs for compensation.

Oh and ill also mention, police can set up radar traps in NSW in between signage. So legally they have to set traps between the 4km zones (i forget the exact distance) where a sign which say " speed cameras used in this area" or "police targeting speeding" and so on.

For vic its not the case cops can set up cameras anywhere and even hire people to do that job, sitting in a car all day or hiding cameras to catch behavior.

Hope I help. Sounds like you've been done before and learnt to slow down now if only a few others get the message (particularly younger guys) it will save a few lives.

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Corinne(I don't care if it's 1 n or 2 btw) I've never met you but you seem like a real bitter person. I don't understand why when someone posts about something like this that you feel you just can't get through your day without bringing them down and making them feel worse.

As Paul said, if you have nothing useful to add, don't say it. If you wish to try and help, do so without calling him an "idiot" or any of your other heartless crap and just state some facts for him. He didn't make this thread so that keyboard warriors could abuse him, he did it to get collective advice. Maybe you should have a read of some of your old posts in these kind of threads and realise that you just end up looking like a real bitch. Then do us all a favour and don't bother commenting in the next one unless it's actually helpful and well meant.

Mate as AboBob said, I think you should pursue it but I'm not sure if the evidence you have provided to defend yourself with will be enough in court I'm afraid.

Corinne(I don't care if it's 1 n or 2 btw) I've never met you but you seem like a real bitter person. I don't understand why when someone posts about something like this that you feel you just can't get through your day without bringing them down and making them feel worse.

As Paul said, if you have nothing useful to add, don't say it. If you wish to try and help, do so without calling him an "idiot" or any of your other heartless crap and just state some facts for him. He didn't make this thread so that keyboard warriors could abuse him, he did it to get collective advice. Maybe you should have a read of some of your old posts in these kind of threads and realise that you just end up looking like a real bitch. Then do us all a favour and don't bother commenting in the next one unless it's actually helpful and well meant.

Mate as AboBob said, I think you should pursue it but I'm not sure if the evidence you have provided to defend yourself with will be enough in court I'm afraid.

It's the internet.. What do you expect..

That doesn't make it alright for you to BE like that. This is SAU, it's supposed to be a friendly forum with helpful advice. Comments like your previous effort bring it down. Now I'll admit that I'm impressed you didn't attack back from my comments and that shows that you're probably not such a bitter person after all, I just don't see why even on the net, you feel it's necessary to post replies like that. Simply helping him out by stating the facts for him like you did but without the negative comments would've been a far easier and more constructive exercise.

Anyway, I'm done I don't wish to debate this anymore, just take it onboard. Oh and to the OP, good luck in court mate.

Cheers Steve.

That doesn't make it alright for you to BE like that. This is SAU, it's supposed to be a friendly forum with helpful advice. Comments like your previous effort bring it down. Now I'll admit that I'm impressed you didn't attack back from my comments and that shows that you're probably not such a bitter person after all, I just don't see why even on the net, you feel it's necessary to post replies like that. Simply helping him out by stating the facts for him like you did but without the negative comments would've been a far easier and more constructive exercise.

Anyway, I'm done I don't wish to debate this anymore, just take it onboard. Oh and to the OP, good luck in court mate.

Cheers Steve.

Steve I simply said he was an idiot for the tyres, which he admitted.

I stated that they legally don't have to put signs up for mobile raider.

There was advice about the suspension I'm pretty sure they do back date it but I wouldn't know for a fact and then I made a statement saying that I was sick of people having a whinge for when they get caught. I didn't say as to what he was caught for because we don't know if he was really speeding or not. But we do know he had bald tyres - which he admitted to as again.

It's just a matter of each persons interpretations of the statements.

I was stating the facts in a cold hard way. Would everyone rather me butter it up with cupcakes and a sweets.

If he wants some real advice he should really be seeking qualified legal advice. If you were to do a search on it. A lot of places will give you free legal advice.

Paul just has to make a fuss about all my comments because he dislikes me.

I've been in a similiar situation recently to you before after a bad run in with a HWP officer. He didn't do anything right when he pulled me over, and I also knew I wasn't guilty of anything.

As already mentioned they bank on you admitting guilt and not standing up to them.

I took it to court, my cousin (a lawyer) represented me for free. We beat the charge easily but I wasn't happy with just that (this guy was a real f***). So we went even further than that and pursued the officer through the Ombudsman. After a 6 month investigation the guy was sacked (I had my own recording which we couldn't use in court, but was sufficient for the ombudsman).

The reason I'm telling you this though is because since then I've copped so much more harassment from them it's not funny, in the end you have to weigh up whether it's worth it. I was absolutely horrified when I was told the list of notes against my name that had been put there by some of his bitter friends.

In my case, I'm not sure it was worth it.

If he wants some real advice he should really be seeking qualified legal advice. If you were to do a search on it. A lot of places will give you free legal advice.

i didnt say i was an idiot for the tyres. like most people i cant just throw $600 at some new rubber when they look slightly worn. there is still reasonable tread on the shoulders, its in the center where they are getting low. i do look at them sometimes, but seemingly glancing at the shoulder is not enough. mind you ive only had them for 15000km, and i am not prone to burnouts.

youre right re: legal advice. but part of the reason i posted this is so hopefully people can learn from it, and not take shit from HWP in future. i often read posts about peoples experiences with police, and i wish i knew all this stuff sooner because it would have saved me a lot of hassle on the last few years.

Corinne, Liz, Steve, Paul, Doof, anyone else who deserves it...

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JDSRacing: Matt, I once parked near your car (old one)and the cops rolled through... Asked me if I owned, or if anyone I knew owned your car, but didn't give a shit about mine :P

I've been in a similiar situation recently to you before after a bad run in with a HWP officer. He didn't do anything right when he pulled me over, and I also knew I wasn't guilty of anything.

As already mentioned they bank on you admitting guilt and not standing up to them.

I took it to court, my cousin (a lawyer) represented me for free. We beat the charge easily but I wasn't happy with just that (this guy was a real f***). So we went even further than that and pursued the officer through the Ombudsman. After a 6 month investigation the guy was sacked (I had my own recording which we couldn't use in court, but was sufficient for the ombudsman).

The reason I'm telling you this though is because since then I've copped so much more harassment from them it's not funny, in the end you have to weigh up whether it's worth it. I was absolutely horrified when I was told the list of notes against my name that had been put there by some of his bitter friends.

In my case, I'm not sure it was worth it.

Matt, your situation makes me angrier than the original poster's case. It's complete BS that you have to sack a HWP officer to get justice, which would be a pain in the arsecrack as it is, and then forever put up with his mates who, i can imagine, pick on you every chance they get.

What right do they have to pick on you, if you're innocent, just because they're copper mate was a d!ckhead?

We all know it's because they can. They're there to enforce the law. Not play games with their authority. It makes me fume.

I'd do the same as you. It's either be fair with me or i will fight you. Glad you sacked the pr!ck.

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Any chance you don't have stock wheels on mate? If your profile is not correct, this would throw out the speedo and the speed you think you are doing is not actually correct. Not much difference between 110-122 if this is the case.

Not saying the cop was correct, but have you thought about this scenario? That you were in fact doing that speed and just didn't know it? I know we always firstly jump to the conclusion that cops suck, but just have a think about it for a sec and rule that out.

Speed matching at 60 is not going to be the same at highway speeds, get it checked, or post up your wheel/tyre sizes and someone smarter than me will be able to tell you if this is the case.

Any chance you don't have stock wheels on mate? If your profile is not correct, this would throw out the speedo and the speed you think you are doing is not actually correct. Not much difference between 110-122 if this is the case.

Speed matching at 60 is not going to be the same at highway speeds, get it checked, or post up your wheel/tyre sizes and someone smarter than me will be able to tell you if this is the case.

stocko wheels? ewww!

ive got 17's, F 235/45, R 255/40. this is a very good point you make, you might be onto something.

i think 40 and 45 refer to the mm measurement of the sidewall, therefore:

rolling circumference =

F 1.642metres, R 1.611metres.

i have measurements inside my door, which i assume may be stock. 16's, F 205/55, R 225/50. rolling circumference =

F 1.452metres, R 1.436metres

you are definitely onto something. stock at 110kmh...

=

F 124kmh, R 123kmh (with 17's sizes)

FUDGE!

maybe i really was doing 122... but im still going to take it to court and probably win because of the other guy in the citroen. in fact, today i just destroyed the prosecution and got off a burnout! representing myself lol.

what an excellent submission! i hope other people will take this into consideration. maybe the cop wasnt such a monkey lol.

What right do they have to pick on you, if you're innocent, just because they're copper mate was a d!ckhead?

Cops look after their own. Unless the cop does something completely out-of-culture (like interfering with children), it won't matter what the cop does. His colleagues will rally around him since they realise it could be them one day, and "take care of things" in any way they can.

If that sounds like something mobsters or gang members do, well, you know.....

stocko wheels? ewww!

ive got 17's, F 235/45, R 255/40. this is a very good point you make, you might be onto something.

i think 40 and 45 refer to the mm measurement of the sidewall, therefore:

rolling circumference =

F 1.642metres, R 1.611metres.

i have measurements inside my door, which i assume may be stock. 16's, F 205/55, R 225/50. rolling circumference =

F 1.452metres, R 1.436metres

you are definitely onto something. stock at 110kmh...

=

F 124kmh, R 123kmh (with 17's sizes)

FUDGE!

maybe i really was doing 122... but im still going to take it to court and probably win because of the other guy in the citroen. in fact, today i just destroyed the prosecution and got off a burnout! representing myself lol.

what an excellent submission! i hope other people will take this into consideration. maybe the cop wasnt such a monkey lol.

The 40 and 45 are percentages of the width of the tread of the tyre, so your front profile is 45% of 235mm, and your rear profile is 40% of 255mm.

There are a few excellent rolling diameter calculators on the net, including this one: http://www.carbibles.com/tyre_bible.html

The 40 and 45 are percentages of the width of the tread of the tyre, so your front profile is 45% of 235mm, and your rear profile is 40% of 255mm.

THANKS! i checked that site, you are quite right. the new calculations mean that stock wheels travelling at 110kmh, translate to:

F 114kmh

R 113kmh

based on my 17s.

therefore im still right and the copz can munch on my ass! (as long as they dont enjoy it too much)

oh man i love sau.

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