27mm Adjustable Swaybar, Too Stiff?

[Rekin]

Hello,

I was wondering if 27mm front adjustable swaybar would be too much for my car? (and 22mm rear adjustable)

My car is 95% daily and will hopefully see a couple of track days per year.

From what i have found, factory r32 gtst is 21mm front and 16mm rear.

Would it be better to get the above Adjustable Selby swaybars (27mm, 22mm)

173% stiffer on the front

257% stiffer on the rear

Or get Adjustable Whiteline swaybars (24mm, 22mm)?

71% stiffer on the front

257% stiffer on the rear

Thanks

- Patrick

[Roy]

If you are looking for some swaybars i will be soon selling mine. I want to try some others, 27mm front and 24mm rear Selby/Whiteline bars (adjustable)

However if i were you i would consider going 24/22mm adjustable. Odds are they will be easier to fit, though these days with Whiteline RS quality control that may not be the case. And for the street they will tighten things up nicely. If you are really loading the suspension you may still want more, but on the street they feel great. I am running the 27/24mm with std shocks at the moment and the car still feels sporty. But they are not adjusted on the firmest so ....

[BHDave]

It's probably worth noting that i originally bought off the shelf 24/22 whiteline bars and with the 2 hole adjustment they came with i was not able to dial out understeer with the rear on hard and the front on soft.

I ended up buying a 24mm rear which i set on soft and set the front 24mm bar to hard. It was fairly neutral after that.

I'd say 27/22 would be horrible. The first corner you come to will have you plow understeering at even moderate speeds.

[Roy]

I found the 24/22 Whiteline on street tyres very neutral. I once got a wheel alignment for D01Js so the camber went from -2deg to -3.5, from that wheel alignment on it was understeer central. Got some camber wound out to suit the lack of grip from the tyres and it came good. But then my front springs failed and the cars front ride height sagged which again made the car very pushy and could not get the rear end to play ball.

So swaybars that are adjustable are great, but if i had of tried to fix the handling using swaybars then i would have been masking a bigger problem

[Rekin]

If you are looking for some swaybars i will be soon selling mine. I want to try some others, 27mm front and 24mm rear Selby/Whiteline bars (adjustable)

However if i were you i would consider going 24/22mm adjustable. Odds are they will be easier to fit, though these days with Whiteline RS quality control that may not be the case. And for the street they will tighten things up nicely. If you are really loading the suspension you may still want more, but on the street they feel great. I am running the 27/24mm with std shocks at the moment and the car still feels sporty. But they are not adjusted on the firmest so ....

cheers for the comment, so I will not have any issues with understeering if i go 27mm instead of 24? Only problem is fitment?

The supplier selling them has them on his r32 and recommends it, although i just wanted to double check if its fine for road use...

Confused by your post, you will have 24/22 for sale in the future? and want to upgrade to 27/24?

It's probably worth noting that i originally bought off the shelf 24/22 whiteline bars and with the 2 hole adjustment they came with i was not able to dial out understeer with the rear on hard and the front on soft.

I ended up buying a 24mm rear which i set on soft and set the front 24mm bar to hard. It was fairly neutral after that.

I'd say 27/22 would be horrible. The first corner you come to will have you plow understeering at even moderate speeds.

Ive heard others mention that 27mm would cause a lot of understeering, hence why i posted on sau...

So would your recommendation be 24/24?

Trying to find the right setup..

Cheers

[BHDave]

I think if the 24/22 combo i bought maintained the 3 hole adjustment that the earlier bars had then it would have worked. The problem was lack of adjustment.

If you are going through sydneykid you can probably get the 3 hole adjustment.

Roy, were your 24/22 bars 3 hole or 2 hole? My alignment at the time was pretty conservative, still had stock diff, car had never seen a track and had decent tyres (rs595 front, rt215 rear). I had all the adjustable bits in the suspension to get the alignment right and i had super streets all round so no silly spring rates.

And i'm not talking neutral tending to understeer either, it was worse than with the stock bars initially. drive into a roundabout at any speed and expect it to push

[Roy]

I think my old Whiteline bars which were 24/22mm only had two holes. I had both ends typically set on full hard. I now have 27/24mm with too many adjustment holes, as i can only really only use two on the rear and two on teh front, really only one due to the position of all the adjustment holes.

To Patrick, i woldnt go the 27mm front unless you are going to get the 24mm rear. If you are going the 22mm rear then use the front. And i have had both over the years. I am getting rid of my current 27/24 in the future as i am going for custom, hollow adjustable jobbies

[toddlls]

I have got the extra heavy duty on my r32 gtst and i find them pretty good on standard springs and shocks. However the car is more prone to 4 wheel sliding at relatively similar speeds but is very predictable and not so snappy. i.e used to let go very quickly. Car feels very flat and eliminated tire scrub felt at last skidpan day. Am about to upgrade suspension so will update further soon

[Rekin]

cheers all for the help;

So my options are either;

27/24

24/22

Will it be better to get the 27/24 or the 24/22?

Thanks

[Roy]

For the street 24/22 is my gut feel. But there is no right or wrong option. It comes down to driver preference. I liked at how my car handled. But i now have too mcuh swaybar for the spring and shock i am running. And the swaybars have been nothing but trouble onb my car and the 27mm front swaybar has actually damaged the sump of my engine.

If installed again or on another car it wouldnt cause the same problem as the cause has been that the bar requires longer then std links. Special links were not supplied with the kit, Whiteline stated it used the std links...and it turns out they were wrong. If i keep them then i will most definitely be buying new longer links, i am just thinking about going back to softer bars

[Rekin]

sweet thanks for the help!

Ill just look into the 24/22 option. Should probably be cheaper anyways!

Thanks for all the help!

[OON80]

Don't mess around, go the whole hog.

35mm fronts

25mm rears

http://www.ultraracingaustralia.com/page16.htm

(and you thought black guys were thick, damn)

Edited August 22, 2008 by OON80

[nisskid]

i have some adj whiteline 24/22 bars for sale, although tbh im pretty nervous about getting rid of them as i know its the best combination for circuit and street, only reason im thinking of going up is to really tighten up the roll control for drift and make it a bit easier to throw around, im just hoping i dont lose too much speed.

[260DET]

Don't mess around, go the whole hog.

35mm fronts

25mm rears

http://www.ultraracingaustralia.com/page16.htm

(and you thought black guys were thick, damn)

They would have to be hollow ARB's although they don't say.