Red Light Cameras..

[Awesome]

Hi, today i drove past a red light camera.. although, i went thru a yellow light (just)

and then it turned red half way through the lights..

Do you reckon they get you for doing red completely

or does going thru a yellow light & half way thru it turns red they get you..

[scathing]

If the rear axle on your car is across the intersection line before the light turns red, it is legal for you to cross.

[Iron Chef]

Actually that's not true - you are only allowed to enter an intersection on a yellow when it is clear that you weren't able to pull up at the lights safely. You're not supposed to enter an intersection at any time when the light is red.

A couple of guys in SA got done for pulling out of a service station and accelerating through an adjacent intersection on a yellow, even though it hadn't turned red till after they went through. (Before you ask, Australian Road Rules are the same across Australia, although I think Vic has some kind of exceptions with the 'turn right from the left lane' thing they've got going on in the centre of Melbourne).

Having said all this, red light camera triggers are just after the white line as you enter an intersection, so if you'd made it past that before the light went red, you're probably safe.

[Johnny]

Some red light cameras also have speed cameras inbuilt to make sure you dont speed up to cross the light; quite a few of them around now.

[Iron Chef]

Most of them in SA do these days - I know I instinctively slow down to go through intersections now, so I guess having them around the place has done its job....

...oh and please tell me you know those girls in your avatar...

Edited October 31, 2008 by Iron Chef

[GTR-N1]

Where was that 'rogue red light camera' in Melbourne which was pinging people whilst they were turning right on an 'amber'?

Have they fixed it yet?

[some_cs_student]

Terry, Corner Nepean Hwy and Bay Road, I've seen people get done ON a red, its a very short light (ie. it goes amber to red quicker than what I would consider average).

I've never had an issue with it

In regard to Red light camera function, if your wheels cross the section in *front* of the white line (ie. up until the pedestrian crossing if there is one), and your rear wheels pass it (0.5 or 1second?) after the light is red, then the red-light camera goes off. In theory that is...

[Kujotk]

last i heard, only 10 out of over 100 red light cameras actually work in sydney at the moment.... they still might flash but no film in them..... also your only allowed to cross in yellow if your not able to stop in time..... but a camera doesn't know if you could or couldnt stop, so they only flash with the rear axel crossing after it turns red

[IanB]

I got a happy snap one night going through a yellow here in brisbane. Was yellow when I entered the intersection and yellow when I exited. I dont think i was over the speed limit in any major way (5 kph tops?). I never saw or heard anything about it, was in a crowded area however so the embarrassment of setting the flash off was bad enough.

[GTR-N1]

So does this mean that if in dense traffic, your rear wheels set off the camera, you'd have a case in court ??

Is there a precedent?

Any law graduates in this forum?

Why can't all those law book cases be put onto disks?

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[Primordial]

Hi, today i drove past a red light camera.. although, i went thru a yellow light (just)

and then it turned red half way through the lights..

Do you reckon they get you for doing red completely

or does going thru a yellow light & half way thru it turns red they get you..

No flashy flashy, no ticky ticky... You'd know about it if you set off the camera, even in daylight.

[some_cs_student]

So does this mean that if in dense traffic, your rear wheels set off the camera, you'd have a case in court ??

Is there a precedent?

Any law graduates in this forum?

Not a law graduate, but entered an intersection, got stuck in traffic which suddenly stopped, light turned amber, started moving forward when light turned red and went through intersection.

In the picture you can see my brake lights on, but it's only a tiny bit into the intersection.

Got red light ticket, went to court, judge was not willing to listen and through it out in 5mins even though the prosecution continually changed the story of how the system worked, every 2 weeks it was a different story, and it was changed again on the day of the court, they also delayed the hearing by about 4months to work out what to do.

In *theory* if your are *on* the line and the light goes red (as in your rear axle is on the line) you *should* be fine, in reality I don't agree, if you are in this situation I see two choices:

*Charge into the intersection, if your not near the line your, your in the intersection and your fine.

*Reverse back behind that line, if the camera goes off you can probably get away with reversing back (which is illegal as well but probably a minor issue).

[GTR-N1]

Ta!

But...

22 Wheelers & B-Doubles must set those things off all the time!

[POP23]

Below are good websites with plenty of real legal advice, particularly the first one set up by Sean Hardy, a Barrister in Victoria. If you do settle in, and spend some time reading through them you will realise that the odds are stacked against the motorist. The more you read, the greater angst you will no doubt get over road law and radar policy transparency. Some of the threads give very good advice on what to say......or not to say when involved with situations involving the Police. Might be worth posting your red light camera circumstance to get some clarification. Keep an eye out for Sabre in the post's, suspected of being a TMU operative!

http://www.trafficlaw.com.au/forum/

http://www.fightfines.info/forums/index.php

[RB30-POWER]

it will only trigger 0.2-0.5sec after the red, so if it was orange when you went through you are safe.

[dan_the_man]

If the rear axle on your car is across the intersection line before the light turns red, then the camera will go off.

fixed.