Suspension Setup

[nisskid]

Everyone has to be good at something, no one can be an expert at everything. Your right, leave it to the experts. Any good suspension place can take your ideas about how you want the car to handle, and make it happen.

and charge u stupid amounts for it too. also id be weary about calling the majority of suspension places "experts". majority dont know shit, and will put in whatever makes them the most $$. they are salesman first and foremost, dont think for a second they always act with ur best interests in mind.

[Mr. Keets]

Where did you get the midori "style" stuff then?

I was looking at ARC (not the titanium ARC) in japan and they have some nice fully adjustable sway kits (in choice of colors!) but the price now is like 70,000 yen per end.

Got mine through W.A. Suspension. One of the guys (RDirty3) is on our Executive. Check the W.A. Forum.

ARC...nicey. A few guys here rate the Cusco ones very highly

[T04GTR]

i believe they folow this way to avoid confusion when FINE TUNING. the car must be part setup to undergo this way..

[_Ryan_]

since when is the "sydneykid setup" not available anymore? whiteline/selby still make sway bars, bilstein still make shocks, eibach/whiteline still make springs, whiteline still make alignment parts. the funny part is if u buy smart ull still pay less than what gary was charging in the group buy.

correct, and when he sends out wrong bits and you send them back, the refund never arrives, where with a shop, you dont walk out til you get it!

suspension is an easy 5 step process... just follow my flow diagram:

1. take car to centreline

2. give keys to chris

3. say "fixy fixy" and point at car

4. open wallet...

5. drive away happy

and with a spring perch rubbing on the tyre, starting to ruin both until you luckily discover it before it becomes an issue

and charge u stupid amounts for it too. also id be weary about calling the majority of suspension places "experts". majority dont know shit, and will put in whatever makes them the most $$. they are salesman first and foremost, dont think for a second they always act with ur best interests in mind.

as above

[nisskid]

if ur happy letting workshops make decisions on ur mods then go for it, i personally would never let a workshop make that choice.

[sl33py]

Kind of on the same topic, I've got the springs and shocks from Gary's old GB in my 33 but both left hand springs are sagging now. I've emailed him about it asking for replacement (only 18 months or so old). But since the group buy is shot, I have my reservations. If it falls through, and baring in mind that Gary designed the springs to match my Bilsteins, what could I look at to replace the springs with? I'll ring Whiteline today and ask if they still produce the springs to Gary's specs, but since he gets them from the same source as Whiteline, I assume it's Whiteline that are having the supplier issues, and therefore ringing them directly probably won't help much. I'm not looking to go coilovers or anything, just want new springs to my car sits evenly!

[djr81]

Kind of on the same topic, I've got the springs and shocks from Gary's old GB in my 33 but both left hand springs are sagging now. I've emailed him about it asking for replacement (only 18 months or so old). But since the group buy is shot, I have my reservations. If it falls through, and baring in mind that Gary designed the springs to match my Bilsteins, what could I look at to replace the springs with? I'll ring Whiteline today and ask if they still produce the springs to Gary's specs, but since he gets them from the same source as Whiteline, I assume it's Whiteline that are having the supplier issues, and therefore ringing them directly probably won't help much. I'm not looking to go coilovers or anything, just want new springs to my car sits evenly!

I removed my Whiteline srpings & replaced them with Eibach. Much lighter and a stiffer spring rate to boot. You need a few extra bits other than the springs but someone on here should be able to tell you want to use with the 33's.

[nisskid]

u cant expect much from the whiteline springs, they are after all just cheapies, if u want something decent either go the eibachs or hypercoils.

[nisskid]

bumping this up in the hope that someone can maybe answer this as its kind of played on my mind, they say when suffering from understeer, reduce front ride height, and for oversteer reduce rear ride height.

how does this work? i would have thought the opposite.

[djr81]

bumping this up in the hope that someone can maybe answer this as its kind of played on my mind, they say when suffering from understeer, reduce front ride height, and for oversteer reduce rear ride height.

how does this work? i would have thought the opposite.

Rake adjustment (That is what you are speaking of) only really has a transient affect on the car behaviour. So if your thing has steady state understeer a rake adjustment wont help.

Look up Carroll Smiths list of cause/affect & his comments on rake.

[nisskid]

ahk, yeh i can see that.

[R DIRTY 3]

whiteline make adjustable arms as well, although they are a bit of a bitch at the rear with the camber arms fouling on the big bilsteins.

Not just Bilstein....most aftermarket shocks with bigger bodies unfortunately.

[R DIRTY 3]

and charge u stupid amounts for it too. also id be weary about calling the majority of suspension places "experts". majority dont know shit, and will put in whatever makes them the most $$. they are salesman first and foremost, dont think for a second they always act with ur best interests in mind.

A little offensive to me haha

I work for a suspension company here in Perth and we have a large range of products. I dont sell what makes more money, i sell what people are wanting or needing based on their intended use. As for not knowing shit, yeah possibly a lot dont and they sell products based on what they read on the internet that was written 'by a mate who is an expert'. I personally spend a lot of time with different products on the road and the track at competitive levels, with results to show the proof of products/set ups etc.

Im sure im not the only one who does this. Surely there are companies across Aust that have people/staff prepared to back up what they do and sell by getting out there and prooving it to themselves on several levels before trying to sell you parts. Just pick the people you use and trust wisely.

p.s. im aware you said 'majority' and not 'all'. Im not taking it as an attack on the profession or anything like that. Just putting an opinion out there.

[simpletool]

Rake adjustment (That is what you are speaking of) only really has a transient affect on the car behaviour. So if your thing has steady state understeer a rake adjustment wont help.

Look up Carroll Smiths list of cause/affect & his comments on rake.

I figure maybe: If you lower ride height as long you don't have to increase spring rate (or bar rate) then you should get more even distribution over both tyres which would increase grip. ie. such as reducing roll oversteer - which I take as high rear ride height (and soft springs) causing roll onto outside tyre and therefore less grip. - but i could be wrong. Interesting discussion.

[nisskid]

Not just Bilstein....most aftermarket shocks with bigger bodies unfortunately.

yeh i was talking about what i run, the bilsteins, id imagine it would be a similar problem on most aftermarket coilovers with big pistons.

A little offensive to me haha

I work for a suspension company here in Perth and we have a large range of products. I dont sell what makes more money, i sell what people are wanting or needing based on their intended use. As for not knowing shit, yeah possibly a lot dont and they sell products based on what they read on the internet that was written 'by a mate who is an expert'. I personally spend a lot of time with different products on the road and the track at competitive levels, with results to show the proof of products/set ups etc.

Im sure im not the only one who does this. Surely there are companies across Aust that have people/staff prepared to back up what they do and sell by getting out there and prooving it to themselves on several levels before trying to sell you parts. Just pick the people you use and trust wisely.

p.s. im aware you said 'majority' and not 'all'. Im not taking it as an attack on the profession or anything like that. Just putting an opinion out there.

lol, glad u made the ps. a lot of shops id be glad if they used knowledge from the internet, often even that is better than what goes around at those shops. a lot of them really specialise in ur every day car, which means they really have no clue about anything relavent to cars like ours.

[nisskid]

I figure maybe: If you lower ride height as long you don't have to increase spring rate (or bar rate) then you should get more even distribution over both tyres which would increase grip. ie. such as reducing roll oversteer - which I take as high rear ride height (and soft springs) causing roll onto outside tyre and therefore less grip. - but i could be wrong. Interesting discussion.

well, if u think about sway bars and how u adjust them to balance ur cars, increasing anti-roll at the front end actually increases understeer/decreases oversteer.

[Roy]

King springs leave Whitline springs for dead. My Whitline springs failed, and i have heard of others too I replaced mine with Kings 3rd time round and now refuse to use any Whitline catalogue item in my car...i hate that a workshop fitted another one to my car without asking , but i got out foxed on that one as i wasnt in the coutnry when they were working on the car. I will remove the new one as well when i get back

[R DIRTY 3]

lol, glad u made the ps. a lot of shops id be glad if they used knowledge from the internet, often even that is better than what goes around at those shops. a lot of them really specialise in ur every day car, which means they really have no clue about anything relavent to cars like ours.

lol Yeah figured best to add the p.s. as didnt want you to think i was just another keyboard warrior starting arguments

[nisskid]

King springs leave Whitline springs for dead. My Whitline springs failed, and i have heard of others too I replaced mine with Kings 3rd time round and now refuse to use any Whitline catalogue item in my car...i hate that a workshop fitted another one to my car without asking , but i got out foxed on that one as i wasnt in the coutnry when they were working on the car. I will remove the new one as well when i get back

just spend the $$ and get something decent, eibach, hypercoil, even race teins and kingies (the higher grade steel ones)

[djr81]

I figure maybe: If you lower ride height as long you don't have to increase spring rate (or bar rate) then you should get more even distribution over both tyres which would increase grip. ie. such as reducing roll oversteer - which I take as high rear ride height (and soft springs) causing roll onto outside tyre and therefore less grip. - but i could be wrong. Interesting discussion.

There is much more to it than that.

What you are talking of is reducing the roll couple.

Firstly as you lower the ride height you lower the c of g. But you also move the roll centre. By a different amount usually. And the front will be different to the rear.

The downside of reducing the roll couple is that it reduces feel. The upside is that it reduces roll. The complication is that is can sometimes either increase or decrease the understeer/oversteer characteristic of the car. Which in turn depends on a whole bunch of other things.