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Didn't the first iriver come out over a year after the first iPod? Late 02 for their first HDD based player if memory serves. Their CD players were the bomb and they had great features. I had a couple a friends in uni who owned them and their DAP's have brilliant features not many have even today.

Just saying that when the iPod came out in '01 it had no competition as a HDD based player. They had nearly a full year to build a solid lead. Players after it have been much better, same with android phones vs iPhones, but they had the big head start that will be so hard to beat.

I have a 27" Quad Core iMac, 13" MacBook Air, iPad and iPhone 4. I love them all. The moment some other company brings out a similar range of devices that work together as seamlessly as these do and I will jump ship seeing as I hate Apple intensely.

I am yet to experience an Android based device that rivals the iPhone for how I use it when it comes to phones. Having said this, Gervase may have one that could rival it based on his description.

As for music players, I cannot comment from experience as I will never carry a music device around with me as well as a mobile phone which again makes the iphone a great solution. Add TomTom as yet another feature of the iPhone and I find it hard to beat. The days or removing the sat nav from the windscreen and hiding it somewhere in the car is gone.

I'd say it all boils down to ease of use. practically everything you can do with a mac/macbook/iphone combo now you could have done 5 years ago (and some a lot longer), you'd need to know what you were doing. Its beyond most people (including me) though, and taking an idea, making it easy and marketing it is what apple seems to do theseday.s and it does it well.

I have a 27" Quad Core iMac, 13" MacBook Air, iPad and iPhone 4. I love them all. The moment some other company brings out a similar range of devices that work together as seamlessly as these do and I will jump ship seeing as I hate Apple intensely.

I am yet to experience an Android based device that rivals the iPhone for how I use it when it comes to phones. Having said this, Gervase may have one that could rival it based on his description.

As for music players, I cannot comment from experience as I will never carry a music device around with me as well as a mobile phone which again makes the iphone a great solution. Add TomTom as yet another feature of the iPhone and I find it hard to beat. The days or removing the sat nav from the windscreen and hiding it somewhere in the car is gone.

the navigator that comes free on Android (well it did on Annas HTC and on the Samsung galaxy s2) is pretty good too

Same deal with my phone. Gets bang against scaffold and all sorts out on site. Only problem I've had so far is the home button is a little shagged. Is it going to be a whole new phone with the i5 or is it going to be someting similar to what the 3GS was to the regular iphone?

A little shagged? My power button and the two volume buttons have been missing for about 6 months. They just dropped out/snapped off. I just poke my mechanail into the gap lmao

Next iPhone update will probably be announced at the same time as the annual iPod update. Announcement is usually in September if they follow the same trend of the last 9 years. iPod update would also take a big chunk of advertising space, particularly in the months just before Xmas.

They are already beta testing the i5 firmware. I was going to upgrade to it but due to my Ninjas live requiring jailbroken device, I could not so I said f**k it and rolled back to 3.1.3 so it's less memory intensive

I don't, never owned an apple, never intend to either. That piece of fruit has most people grabbing their ankles while it's balls deep in their lower intestine. They were the innovators, but now the real power players have built on and improved their idea ten-fold.

Android Googopoly FTW!!!!

You gotta give them credit though. They put a device in my hand, latest technology when it came out. I hate Apple with a passion and still do but this Iphone is freaking awesome. I am also biased as I have not tried anything else. The problem is, though, because I am addicted to this game on it, I kinda have to stay with the apple device when it comes :(

I'd say it all boils down to ease of use. practically everything you can do with a mac/macbook/iphone combo now you could have done 5 years ago (and some a lot longer), you'd need to know what you were doing. Its beyond most people (including me) though, and taking an idea, making it easy and marketing it is what apple seems to do theseday.s and it does it well.

The thing about this is that I am a PC enthusiast, or at least I was. I was playing with PC's back when they took SIPP Ram. I know what a PC can do over a Mac and for 'me' now I don't find a PC to be of any advantage. This is mainly due to games, I don't get time to play them anymore so when I do, I just play CS because it is quick and easy and it runs on my Mac's.

Windows peaked at Windows 2000.

I actually find it hard to understand Apple and I find their logic to be flawed. But with enough playing around I can managed to make Apple products work easier then the PC alternatives. Sad to say. I am a PC diehard. I hate Apple!

Their logic is closed minded and simplistic but they make sure that what 90% of people want works almost 100% of the time and works with no dramas and is just idiot proof. That's why they have succeeded. They have made stuff that a moron can use and they make it seem cool.

I own more apple stuff than I care to name. I bought most of it because it just worked and I wasn't after anything complex.

sheep y'all are sheep suckered into the apple marketing campaign.

I got my 6Gb Iriver H10 back in 2005, it lasted me until last year when the battery wouldn't last longer then about 2 hours apart from that it was perfect, metal case that took a fair share of hits from falling off bikes/skateboards and spent its time smashing around in my car too. I have replaced it with an Iriver B30, which is not too bad at all, although it could do with a metal case.

On a side note has anyone got an old apple Iphone/Ipod lying around that they would give to me for free? It doesn't need to be working, I want to shoot it with my .243

sheep y'all are sheep suckered into the apple marketing campaign.

I got my 6Gb Iriver H10 back in 2005, it lasted me until last year when the battery wouldn't last longer then about 2 hours apart from that it was perfect, metal case that took a fair share of hits from falling off bikes/skateboards and spent its time smashing around in my car too. I have replaced it with an Iriver B30, which is not too bad at all, although it could do with a metal case.

On a side note has anyone got an old apple Iphone/Ipod lying around that they would give to me for free? It doesn't need to be working, I want to shoot it with my .243

we have 3 ipod nanos that failed that you can shoot lol

Windows peaked at Windows 2000.

Who said that there's only windows?

Still, like boz said above, they make stuff idiot proof. The new apple cloud thing? FTP has been around for ages. FTP hasn't been around with a fancy interface that's idiotproof.

That being said, maybe its because i just haven't used the apple ecosystem, or maybe its due to my type of workload, but i still don't see how any of the stuff they sell would really enchance my usage. I'm stull a student and i'm in engineering so i end up using a lot of programs that would have a fit trying to run under the mac OS. However, compatability aside i'm still not seeing the great advantage.

What featurse that are unique to apples do you usually use, out of interest?

Sarp mangs. Deferred exam crushed. Mission accomplished.

Apple hate is hilarious. The only thing I don't like about the iphone is itunes. :cheers:

Hey guys,

My name is Adam and I'm kinda new to these forums... never really looked at the QLD forums until now.

Just wanted to say hi and check if you guys do any cruises at all. I drive a 260RS myself which has a few mods and got another mate who's keen who has a GTR.

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