R32 Gtr V's Gts For Track Car

[kuma j]

hey guys

Well after many years of saying im going to build a car the time has finally come for me to do so.

Ive decided i will build an s32 track car but the thing im wanting advice on is if i should get the gtr or gts shell. The reason for my confusion is this. The gtr is AWD but to get a gtr shell the price is alot more over a gts shell.

I will be putting an RB26 in it anyway but i just want to know if the AWD of the gtr is worth it.

I know there is i few of you who have driven gtrs as well as rear wheel drives around the track. So im looking to you guys for advise on how much benefit if any the AWD has?

Any help and advice you guys can give me will be greatly appreciated.

John.

[FloydWestwood]

oh man - your opening a massive can of worms. I genuinely believe it's a personal preference thing.

I'm currently trying to buy myself a trackmule gtr as well, because I believe the awd will reap me quicker lap times, but there's a miriad of reasons whhy either would be better. I guess it comes down to driving style, budget, suspension setup and power, as well as a million other reasons. There are heaps of rwd purists out there who lap quicker then awd cars, I guess thats proof enough that rwd's can be just as quick as gtr's, but then again if you're watching skyline's race on tv and stuff you only tend to see gtr's (obviously for another good reason too)

It's up to your own preference.

[SECURITY]

you can always rip the front drive shaft off a GTR and have the same feel as a gts couldnt you?

[kuma j]

yeah i see what you mean. Its not like i want to gtr so i can say oh look at my gtr. Cause like you say a rear wheel drive can lap just as quick.

And the fact that i can pick up a full gts for roughly the same price as a gtr shell. Makes me think going for the gts option will be cheaper to start with and i can sell off any unneeded parts for a bit of extra cash.

So as much as i wouldnt mind having a gtr shell i think i would be happy to settle with the gts.

But still if anyone else has any opinions please post em up.

[evil_weevil]

Ask Brad - risking....and search for the thread he started, broken GTR thread!

Is it going to be built for a series? or built for supersprints/superlap style events?

I was at the track today, 2 34 GTRs, 1 went home on back of tilt tray, the other, couldnt shake a certain mx5 lol

nah really, as Dave said, its preference and budget.

I know fatz did his white gtr on a really good budget, and it did really well on its first day at our wakie day!!

theres a bloke from NZ who runs a 32 GTS non turbo and is quote competitive at club meets, its main focus was suspension and brakes.

So looks like..."flip a coin!"

Duncan the diving horse would be good with this topic!

He went from a 33 gtst to the 32 gtr.

but maybe a few reasons why!

[jazzy_j]

You really need to tell us what you want to use it for and roughly how much you looking to spend?

GTR's can get really expensive really quickly and you can get a gtst to go just as quick.

[kuma j]

well for now the plan is to use it for supersprint/superlap style events.

as for budget. that isnt really much of an issue at the moment. i have no idea what i will end up spending on it in the long run. i'll just spend what needs to be spent.

i was more just looking at some info on if a gtr would be a better choice in the long run.

cause as i said at the moment for the initial cost of buying the car to start with, i can get a whole gts for the price of a gtr shell.

mind you ive only just started looking around this week. so i will keep searching for a bit to see what i can come across.

but for now i think i will probably end up going with a gts shell with the rb26

[Risking]

Okay if your even remotely worried about the cost of a GTR to buy DONT BUY ONE.

There is many many many options that are better than a GTR for a circuit car.

Im a firm believe now that if you want a circuit GTR then you either build it all out and spend the cash or you dont bother beginging!

You can build a budget GTR and run it at sprints but one day it will break and then it snow balls.

It all depends how serious you really are and what you want to acheive. Set your self a goal and buy a car to suit.

If you have a well sized wallet My GTR could be for sale if you have the right ammount of cash.

Its probably one of the more hardcore circuit GTRs doing the rounds in NSW.

Actually Jay you should buy my friggin car and save the hassle of rebuilding the old one!

Ill swap you both your GTRS and cash

Edited May 13, 2009 by Risking

[evil_weevil]

Think ya answered it yaself!

If you can get the whole gts for same price as gtr shell, id go the gts

more money left over for...

brake upgrade

suspension

cage

then....rb26!

if you were to go the rb26....would you keep it twin turbo?

[eugen_syd]

Ian S13 today give me second thoughts. why not something cheap and fast? Success guaranteed! Put a dollar figure and you find an easy answer.

eug

[evil_weevil]

Its probably one of the more hardcore circuit GTRs doing the rounds in NSW.

'ken oath!!!

[Risking]

Ian S13 today give me second thoughts. why not something cheap and fast? Success guaranteed! Put a dollar figure and you find an easy answer.

eug

S13's can be quick and reliable no doubt about that.

Personally id build an R32 GTS-t with an RB25 or preferably a 26. The GTS-t has so much less that can go wrong and if you single turbo the 26 it makes life a bit simpler. There would still be inheritated RB26 issues but they can be fixed.

Actually I think Duncan and I were talking about this earlier tonight, buying an R32 GTS-t which has been in a massive front ender, cutting it off at the fire wall and building a semi space frame GTS-t with a full house RB30.

Would be a load of fun to drive if you get the front end geometry right.

Anyone have a really badly damaged R32??

'ken oath!!!

You wanna buy??

[Cassbo]

For supersprints I'd get a GT-R, preferably stock as possible, and slowly build it up in between track days. I'd start with wheels, tyres, brakes and suspension. I wouldn't increase power until I felt I couldn't lower my lap times any more. There is no coincidence why my car is still stock, I have had it for 2 years and in my opinion still don't know how to drive it properly

[jazzy_j]

You can build a budget GTR and run it at sprints but one day it will break and then it snow balls.

Mine was suppose to be a budget build, now it's a missive snowball! Not nearly as big as your but....... yet

Actually Jay you should buy my friggin car and save the hassle of rebuilding the old one!

Ill swap you both your GTRS and cash

I should have just bought the gray car complete. It's going to be basically how it was before we stripped it minus the dry sump and that will probably get done in the not to distant future too. Why do we always do things the hard way first time around?

[GoldZilla]

John, if you're sticking to an R32 and going to put in an B26 anyway, you could (possibly, don't quote me on this as I haven't looked at pricing) get the best of both worlds and get an R32 GTS-4.

The R32 GTS-4 was already turbocharged (unlike the atmo-only R33 GTS-4) and has the GTSt shell with AWD which is at least something similar to the GT-R running gear.

It might work in your favour, it might not, but it's an option you might want to look into.

[BOZ22N]

John unless you have up wards of 40K to spend on this car and are willing to fork out a lot more do not get a GTR in my opinion. I have never had one but alot of people i talk to that do race allways have issues, and besides that when you go faster you have to spend more ie: a big budjet GTR you will have to spend more on brakes and pads to keep pulling it good and tyres to get the most out of your beast and also fuel. My car at full tilt use about 100ltrs of fuel for a big day (about 60 laps of wakie) which would be similar to a mildly tuned GTR.

In my opinion a R32 GTS-T with a RB20 would be a fun easy way to get into motorsport and if you leave the RB20 in it what ever series or rally you ever go in they will never be able to penalise you for a engine swap. No matter what car you are in going around a track and pushing the car as hard as you can will allways be fun and that is what these lower levels or motorsport are about, getting out there having a blast and keeping the car in one peice so you can come back and do it again next week.

Good Luck

[evil_weevil]

I had my r33 to a fairly good level, did some good lap times in it, but I was at that point where it was a stock motor with plenty of bolt ons, no cage, basic brakes, still was fairly cheap to get to that stage.

Id have to spend another 15k easy to get more out of it.

for events like superlap and supersprints it would have been good.

I like Ryans idea. Stick with RB20 - learn the basics, get out there and have fun!

Roy in VIC has a very quick and competitive RB20 gtst, stick with the rb20 for a bit, on the side, build a rb26!

[FloydWestwood]

then trow a disco potato on for responsesnesses

[N1GTR]

Brad i meant to ask you at the shop but you had gone by the time i stopped giving greg shit, how much are you chasing for the white one?

As far as this topic goes, having a GTR is nice, but as far as a dedicated track car if the word budget comes into mind (other than in the phrase: i dont have a budget) then forget it. Get a GTS shell, RB25 box, GTR rear end, 33 GTR brakes (or the justjap stuff), rb26 with a cleaned up head, huge sump with good oil pump, cage, harness etc.

That should be LOTS easier to live with, also wont cost as much to build. Get the biggest tyres you can fit under the guards and have a ball

[Beer Baron]

no matter which way you do the sums a decent R32 GTR track car is $80K+. and if you want to do it all with premium gear $120K+. a maximum effort time attack type GTR like Mark Berrys "hi-octane" 34 would cost over $250K to build.

these are the sad facts. Even guys trying to stick to a budget like duncan will have spent that $80K. and it would be lots more except they do most of the work themselves.

a nice 32 GTST track car on the other hand can be done a fair bit more cheaply. yes it would be outright as fast as the big boy GTRs but it will be within a couple of seconds of them at some tracks. and you'll be in a diffferent class (depending on what exactly you build).

My super duper GTST track car would look like this:

R32 GTST body (non sunroof model).

Built 2.2l SR20 engine

nice single turbo kit, around a 3037 or 3040/ TD06SH-20G. around that size.

do the solid lifters, big cams etc. good sump all that gear

around 300rwkw

GTR front guards, GTR bonnet (or carbon)

lexan window, strip out the doors

strip out the car

widen rear guards, or fit GTR quarters if you're really keen. might as well use a GTR rear wing, though a GT wing can be good too.

get some decent brakes, around 350mm fronts with something like F40s, or D2s, or APs, if possible get something that can go under 17s.

get some good sets of 17inch wheels and rubber. 265 rears and 235 or 245 fronts.

Get some good suspension (crucial part). look at DMS, proflex if you have the $$.

get GTR rear cradle and diff, and GTR hubs (all can be had cheap if you're patient)

Get a decent box either an OS gearset, or there are some good sivlia gearset options, or a PPG box.

get a good bolt in cage, good seat, strip the rest.

ENJOY.

it would be pretty quick, that's obviously a basic outline, there is a lot of detail work with suspension and set-up but that's the rough idea. RB25 or RB26 would work too, but the SR is light, and with a nice tomei or HKS 2.2 kit can put out decent torque, and with those good bottom end bits and some good head gear to match they can rev too.