910trx Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 (edited) i had 4 sticks of 1g ram 1 snuffed it had to remove 2 banks and run it in 2g in 2 channels for about a year bought some ram the otherday (2 gig is ok but $70 for 2 chips is not bad to boost performance before i go gaming ram with less latency later on) exact same partnumber but sticks are smaller not as in width but height. i have not booted up the pc as yet only trial fitted, and they fit beautifully its just Kingston Value Ram 800mhz 240 pin 1gig chips like i said partmumbers are EXACTLY the same can i just put this down to better technology - since the release of the originals now we can haveo a ram chip with less circuitboard and has smaller processors on it? 2nd can i hit the power button? - whats the worst that can happen... BOOM! they are the same specs, same brand, same model... Edited September 2, 2009 by 910trx Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkblade Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 If they're exactly the same specs (eg. 1Gb DDR2 800Mhz) there shouldn't be any issues and will operate as you had before. In regards to different sizes, yeah your assumption of improved tech and to cut costs seems practical for Kingston. Prior to fitting the sticks and starting you may want to select optimised settings in the BIOS screen (usually pressing F1/ F2 or DEL) and save settings. Once you've got the new memory in, re-enter the BIOS screen and go to the memory menus to check if the mobo is reading all the same specs. The worst things that could happen is one is faulty, or if the computer continuously beeps it means one of the sticks isn't properly seated or the latencies are different. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4803291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 You can still run different sticks of ram, you have to downclock though im most cases so they simply all run at the same speeds. I've have differing sticks in machines before that work fine Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4803629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicr4wks Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 New Kingston sticks are half the height of the old ones, don't worry about it. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4804051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trance Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 +1 nicr4wks As long as they are same SKU its all good. For Kingston RAM, DIMM information is included within the SKU ie: KVR800D2N5K2/4G is KVR = Kingston Value RAM 800 = Speed D2 = DIMM Type N5 = CAS Latency K2 = Kit of 2 4G = Total DIMM/Kit size Ciao Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4804512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
910trx Posted September 2, 2009 Author Share Posted September 2, 2009 New Kingston sticks are half the height of the old ones, don't worry about it. cool they are in except i started it up and it failed to boot after bios stage saying it needed a boot disc having no boot disc i dl'd a program to act as the startup disc from my fiance's laptop as it asked me to insert the disc into cd/dvd. easy burnt it and tried to wack it into my pc - except the drive wont open... press the button on the front and the green light flashes, then nothing force it open doing the paperclip trick slammed it and still wont read any ideas? can i somehow back it up to a usb drive and force a boot from that? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4804563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trance Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 if it is asking for a boot disk, the pc is trying to tell you there is no operating system (windows) found. make sure your hard drive connectors are in position firmly and that there is power to your hard drive(s). if your pc was working before you installed the ram (by working i mean going into windows), try removing the ram and try again. ram can cause post to hang and in that time the optical drive might not respond. /shrug Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4804604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
910trx Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share Posted September 3, 2009 well first problem solved, the hdd has two connections for the data and i plugged it into the wrong one changed the connection and started up fine except cdrom still wont work, its like it has power but wont open up on eject command so i shut it dwn and thought a cold boot by unplugging it may help started her up and started to load windows got a bsod but it flashes so quick i cant read it tried again and reqests safe mode but in any mode including recovery it wont load, i get the same message again and it restarts on its own , requests safe mode and restarts. ive pulled out each stick of ram and have even ran each ram in single channel (1g) to see if faulty ram was causing it but does not work still. worst is i cant tgetht e cd to sork so i can shove in a boot disc i'm over my head on this one... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4805599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicr4wks Posted September 3, 2009 Share Posted September 3, 2009 (edited) Check to make sure all PCI cards and other connections are in firmly. Is the HDD/CD IDE or SATA? if IDE are they both on the same channel? Does the IDE cable have a little notch on the plug so it can only go in 1 way? Unplug the data cable for the CD so only power is connected, turn on the computer, does the drive eject now? If an IDE cable is plugged in backwards it can cause all of the symptoms you've listed. Try this even if the CD drive is SATA. Did you touch or fiddle with anything else while installing the ram? Also make sure the CPU heatsink is still firmly in place and hasn't been knocked. You can also try booting the pc with only 1 stick of ram installed in DIMM 0 (it will be small print but the ram sockets should be labeled) Post back with results and hopefully we can sort out some more troubleshooting steps from there Edited September 3, 2009 by nicr4wks Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4806514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drift_dingo Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 cdrom drive sounds like mine at home, I triued all that and all it was the 4 wires for the power to the dvd drive, one of them wasn't sitting proper so it would boot up the drive but just not eject. VERY carefully push the plug in and wriggle it AND the wires (yellow black red ywellow?) Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4809352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trance Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 With the BSOD; After POST, spam F8 (In between the BIOS Screen and Windows Load Screen), select the option "Disable Automatic Restart on System Failure". Once the BSOD occurs, read out the error code. As for the drive, it is very possible that if the power is connected correctly that the servo is stuck. Use a pin to open the tray but do not close it manually, let the drive retract the tray itself and after the load is finished (the activity led on the drive has stopped), try and open again. If that fails (and once we get past the BSOD), we should try an eject command inside windows. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4809712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
910trx Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 (edited) thanks for the help guys i'll try the above. sorry i have been interstate for a funeral. before i left i grabbed the hdd out of the pc and stuck it in the carry on luggage i took it to my old mans and i stuck it in his pc tower with just my hdd working. started it up and told me to boot from disc etc restarted with a bsod, rebooted and came up with some windows recovery jargon we chose the option to reinstall windows which we did (he had a win xp disk down there) windows was installed and the hdd worked, all my stuff was on there (luckily) returned home today and plugged it all in straight away the same bsod and restat. i took a vid of the bsod because it flashes so quick wiht a vid camera o see what it was. sorry myt you may have to tone down the pc guru talk, i'm unfortunately very noob at pc hardware. thanks for all the help so far, its great that some people are willing to help out a stranger, Edited September 9, 2009 by 910trx Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4816775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Im going to take a stab and say the two BSOD's are unrelated. Your one is possibly related to the RAM. Especially if the HDD was working in another PC Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4816891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
910trx Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 my hdd is sata i'm now running the original chip of ram in the ddr1 slot (so only 1gb of ram) still wont work rom is setup with sata cable and hooked into power (pins checked they are connected) and still not ejecting or reading the cd rom w just power will still not eject by itself, manual eject and she still wont go in after startup or when pressing in the button the 0x24 or whatever fault code seems to relate to a hdd partition error? is this fixable or is this going to be a take it into a bloke job - i dont want to spend money on the damn thing... will photos of what i got be a help? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4816988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TALBO Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I'm guessing it could be a shagged Power Supply. Have you tried resetting the cmos yet and running default settings? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4817137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
910trx Posted September 9, 2009 Author Share Posted September 9, 2009 well if it is a shagged power supply its the 2nd one i have been through in a year. i also notice that when i turn it on the motherboard lights up a blue led and the graphics cards wind up and slow and another light lights up this repeats 4 times before it beeps and goes into bios and the usual start up procedure this only happens when starting the pc not restarting. the old powersupply is no good to do a test as that sucker is well and truely blown - but can it be that simple - a power supply unit? Might have to ask I.T. for a spare if they have one. windows always gets to the same stage before going down so i'm thinking its os - but i cant get that to work untillthe cd rom works Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4817991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozodos Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 hmm when I've had similar problems its usually been related to the HDD being FUBAR or on its last legs :S BTW I have run different ram sticks in the one machine before, albeit a Pentium 3 866 about 7 years ago lol Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4818047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
910trx Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 hmm when I've had similar problems its usually been related to the HDD being FUBAR or on its last legs :S i hope its not that! i got so much data on there! trying to find a fix fo the error code is useless, all signs point to sticking in a backup disc... i dont have a floppy drive... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4818454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R31Nismoid Posted September 10, 2009 Share Posted September 10, 2009 Just check it with S.M.A.R.T - it will tell you if its got bad sectors and so on. If its mechanical then it will just fail Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4818544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
910trx Posted September 10, 2009 Author Share Posted September 10, 2009 my work it man is going to have a look at it for me, he solved the last BSoD so hopefully he can fix this in his spare time. i owe him a carton of tooheys old if he gets it humming again better than some random bloke in a PC store i guess Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/286203-installing-ram/#findComment-4818642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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