Jump to content
SAU Community

2010 F1 Season

Roy

By Roy,
in Motorsport Discussion & Builds

 Share

Recommended Posts

acediac Contributor

acediac

Posted
Posted
As much as I want Alonso to win it, you haven't taken into account the fact that if it's Vettel leading Webber in the final race, and Alonso is in 3rd, that Vettel will surely move over for Webber (given that he cannot win the title even with a win with Alonso in P3), which will give Webber 10 points over Alonso, winning the WDC by 2.

The only way Alonso is winning the WDC is if he can split the RBR's, beat them both, or they make a mistake/DNF and finish down the order or out of the points completely.

Are you kidding? Vettel and Webber are mortal enemies and Redbull are backing Vettel all the way. Tin foil hatters could say that Webber was given "engine heat" messages in Brazil so that he couldn't push Vettel.

Alonso's form is such that, barring unreliability, he will probably be 3rd again in Abu Dhabi. But with Webber almost destined for 2nd, Alonso really only needs 4th. So Alonso can pretty much coast and save his engine once he has the position he needs. And as we have seen, the Ferrari high mileage engine has done Brazil without a problem, matching the Redbulls in pace.

Even if Vettel were magnanimous enough to want to hand Webber a victory, it would be very risky especially if Alonso was close, and we've already seen Ferrari get a slap on the wrist for team orders, another obvious breach of the rules could get Vettel and/or Webber disqualified. Now, given all those risks, if you were Vettel leading the race, would you really contemplate handing the win to Webber?

No, Alonso has done what he needed to do in Brazil. The onus is now on Webber to WIN and without Vettel crashing out and allowing Alonso to become 2nd. Whereas Alonso just needs to relax and can get as low as 4th if Webber is 2nd or lower. And let's put it this way, if Alonso can cause a crash of all 3 of them, as long as Hamilton doesn't win the race, Alonso will be WDC.

I'm not a particular fan of Webber, but I dislike Alonso more so I'm rooting for Webber. However, I'm afraid Webber tossed the championship away in Korea by scoring no points there. I think he will probably retire next year with all the team politics, so he'll have missed his chance to be a WDC.

  • Replies 3.6k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Top Posters In This Topic

Popular Days

Posted Images

Nee-san Grand Master

Nee-san

Posted
Posted
Must say, I think we all witnessed a very special moment from this season with the Incredible Hulk's pole... I would've bet my house on Rubens out qualifying the mini-kraut. But hey, strange things happen in this wonderful sport, and what a way to throw the championship contest in the air?? Koob, Rubens, all in the mix.. Btw I think Baron Von Doorcloser is finding his feet finally, anyone take notice of how quick he was in marginal conditions on the inters? Good to see him a few position ahead of Rosberg (for his sake, cause I'm a Nico fan too). In all fairness to Nicros, I think he got baulked, but its been a promising last few showings by MSC, lets hope he can bag some points..

I think Gonzo was lucky to get P5, but I get the feeling tonight's race is not going to be at all usual, BRING IT! Just hope the chin can get a solid podium if not a win..

Btw, my cousin's mate put $15 on a Williams pole, the cnut would be laughing right now....

I agree on the Button thing, he's looking more and more ordinary with every race, here was me thinking in the middle of the season he was right in the mix, I really can't believe how much, and how quickly, he has fallen away. He just doesn't seem at one with the car, and if I was him I'd be a little concerned. Not a good look for Jenson.

Button drops his chin the minute it doesn't go to plan, take a look at some of the Honda years for evidence, also he can't fight fire with fire so when it gets a little bit hard for him he struggles like the 2nd half of the brawn year showed.

Hamilton is better with formula 1 in its current guise the way the regulations effect the design of the cars and the tyre technology mask some of the issues with his over agressive driving style, his main problem however is that he thinks he is ayrton senna, when he isn't even the quickest driver in the current field and it really shows when he comes unstuck.

Leif Enthusiast

Leif

Posted
Posted (edited)

They couldn't get him to spell it out, but Vettel pretty much confirmed in the post-race press conference that if the RBR 1-2 scenario with Alonso 3rd develops, he will move over for Webber. Sure, Vettel and Webber are the strongest of rivals, but Vettel has said he's a team player and would prefer to see an RBR driver win it than a Fez driver.

P.s. did anyone see Webber straight after he got out of the car this morning? Vettel came over to say congrats and give Webber the handshake, and Webber basically got out of the car backwards to have his back to Vettel and leave him hanging for a couple of seconds.

Ice cold :blink:

Edited by Leif
ctjet Grand Master

ctjet

Posted
Posted

damn it, this race kills me every year. 3am is just unreasonable

At least the car that deserved the title got exactly that. So well done RBR on building such a well thought out and innovative weekend warrior.

But it has to be said, the drivers have not used it to its potential so i wont be particularly sad to see either of them lose out in Abu dhabi. They've wasted so many easy chances to have this wrapped up races ago, that even as a univested spectator, im still pretty dissappointed.

Anyway, one race to go and two of the guys are running on some pretty second hand engines. Potential for some tears in two weeks

acediac Contributor

acediac

Posted
Posted (edited)
The overheating engine is the set up for team orders next week.

:D

Won't it be funny if a leading Vettel had "engine troubles" 50m from the finish line until just after Webber passes him... :P

I really can't see Vettel giving up a win to help Webber. But if he does, I wonder how many Vettel slaggers will change their tune about him...

Not to mention Webber himself...

Edited by acediac
dezz Grand Master

dezz

Posted
Posted
They couldn't get him to spell it out, but Vettel pretty much confirmed in the post-race press conference that if the RBR 1-2 scenario with Alonso 3rd develops, he will move over for Webber. Sure, Vettel and Webber are the strongest of rivals, but Vettel has said he's a team player and would prefer to see an RBR driver win it than a Fez driver.

That's what I was referring to. In that situation, where Vettel won't win the title, and Webber can if his team mate gives him the win, I can't see Vettel staying in front. As much as the team backs him, if Alonso running in 3rd in the closing stages of the race, Vettel cannot win and would be robbing RBR of a second championship if he went on to win. I can't see it happening if the above scenario plays out.

Potential for some tears in two weeks

1 week :P

OOGTR Explorer

OOGTR

Posted
Posted

It annoys me how RBR would risk the driver's championship by letting vettel take valuable points off webber, although we all can see vettel is mostly quicker, the fact is, webber is in a better position, they are certainly leaving it to the last minute. Its times like these when Ferrari team orders are called for :P

Vettel will have his time in the sun, he needs to move over for mark this weekend :D

Beer Baron Grand Master

Beer Baron

Posted
Posted

I will certainly change my tune on vettel if he moves over to let webs take a win and a WDC. that's a big call to make and if he's a big enough man to do that for the team then maybe I've got him all wrong. let's see what happens. hopefully he wont have to and webber will just win it on merit. he has won the odd GP you know...

Beer Baron Grand Master

Beer Baron

Posted
Posted
If alonso wins, he can never take full credit after massa helped him.

very true. unless RBR make vettel do the same for webber, at least then they'll be even. those 7 points are proving crucial. right not webs would be just 1 point behind instead of 8. big difference.

Marlin Grand Master

Marlin

Posted
Posted
I will certainly change my tune on vettel if he moves over to let webs take a win and a WDC. that's a big call to make and if he's a big enough man to do that for the team then maybe I've got him all wrong. let's see what happens. hopefully he wont have to and webber will just win it on merit. he has won the odd GP you know...

Couldn't agree more Big Marn.......

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share
Go to topic listing


  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • brillo
      Leak from Tokico BM50 Brake Master Cylinder

      By brillo · Posted

      Hi, SteveL Thank you very much for your reply, you seem to be the only person on the net who has come up with a definitive answer for which I am grateful. The "Leak" was more by way of wet bubbles when the pedal was depressed hard by a buddy while trying to gey a decent pedal when bleeding the system having fitted the rebuilt BM50 back in the car, which now makes perfect sense. A bit of a shame having just rebuilt my BM50, I did not touch the proportioning valve side of things, the BM50 was leaking from the primary piston seal and fluid was running down the the Brake booster hence the need to rebuild, I had never noticed any fluid leaking from that hole previously it only started when I refitted it to the car. The brake lines in the photo are "Kunifer" which is a Copper/Nickel alloy brake pipe, but are only the ones I use to bench bleed Master cylinders, they are perfectly legal to use on vehicles here in the UK, however the lines on the car are PVF coated steel. Thanks again for clearing this up for me, a purchase of a new BMC appears to be on the cards, I have been looking at various options in case my BM50 was not repairable and have looked at the HFM BM57 which I understand is manufactured in Australia.  
    • Gantai
      R33 GTST Steering Rack (49001-19U05) Rebuild?

      By Gantai · Posted

      PXL_20250828_063541093.TS.mp4
    • Gantai
      R33 GTST Steering Rack (49001-19U05) Rebuild?

      By Gantai · Posted

      Well the install is officially done. Filled with fluid and bled it today, but didn't get a chance to take it on a test drive. I'll throw some final pics of the lines and whatnot but you can definitely install a DMAX rack in an R33 with pretty minor mods. I think the only other thing I had to do that isn't documented here is grind a bit of the larger banjo fitting to get it to clear since the banjos are grouped much tighter on the DMAX rack. Also the dust boots from a R33 do not fit either fyi, so if you end up doing this install for whatever reason you'll need to grab those too. One caveat with buying the S15 dust boots however is that the clamps are too small to fit on the R33 inner tie rod since they're much thicker so keep the old clamps around. The boots also twist a bit when adjusting toe but it's not a big deal. No issues or leaks so far, steering feels good and it looks like there's a bit more lock now than I had before. Getting an alignment on Saturday so I'll see how it feels then but seems like it'll be good to go       
    • PranK
      R35 GT-R production ends after 18 years

      By PranK · Posted

    • SteveL
      Leak from Tokico BM50 Brake Master Cylinder

      By SteveL · Posted

      I don't get in here much anymore but I can help you with this.   The hole is a vent (air relief) for the brake proportioning valve, which is built into the master cylinder.    The bad news is that if brake fluid is leaking from that hole then it's getting past the proportioning valve seals.   The really bad news is that no spare parts are available for the proportioning valve either from Nissan or after market.     It's a bit of a PITA getting the proportioning valve out of the master cylinder body anyway but, fortunately, leaks from that area are rare in my experience. BTW, if those are copper (as such) brake lines you should get rid of them.    Bundy (steel) tube is a far better choice (and legal  in Australia - if that's where you are).
×
×
  • Create New...