chef_stagea Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) Ps... Anyone out there willing to lend me a Crain to get the block out?? Will sort a deal forsure!! As a few may know I messed up my timing belt. Heads off, #2 claimed both intake valves witch snapped off... And hacked up the piston top... Boar seems good at this stage... How's the safest way to clean the shit out?? Top that piston and blow it out? And what do i need to know about piston removal?? Am I getting 6 freshies? Cheers boys! Edited August 24, 2010 by chef_stagea Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
heslo Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Got pics of the piston? At this stage I'd be taking the motor out mate, you're gonna have to take off the sump to gain access the crank/rods so you can remove the rod bolts and then push the piston out through the top. Then I don't think it's gonna be as simple as dropping in a new piston. You've got clearances to worry about, etc. Looking more like rebuild territory from the info you've given. That or a replacement motor Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLED Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 yeah without pics of the severity of the damage, I'd say Luke's on the money you'll need to remove every bit of debris out and if there's anything caught between the cylinder and top ring land, good luck getting it out. Also, any damage to the bore (below top land) will cause you grief unless addressed......you'll be surprised how even minor bore damage can affect the top comp ring Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heslo Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Winner winner, chicken dinner Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef_stagea Posted August 24, 2010 Author Share Posted August 24, 2010 Yeah ok... So basically rip the engine out n go from there... Why is it not possible to just replace the piston? I'll put pics up of the boar tomorrow. 1st thing I need to do is drop the auto box off!! I've already brought a new head. Getting cleaned up and port and polished too. So I'll avoid new engine. For that reason. Money and rego/numbers bullshit. When you say rebuild what are we talking.. Full bottom end sent away? There's all tiny bits of valve everywhere... So there would be shit down there! The guy I got the head off has the bottom end ( cyl seized) maybe I should grab that for parts??? I'm not 100% clear y I can't just change the piston top to a stockie... Or just not Gna happen? Winner winner, chicken dinner Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414771 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLED Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Yeah ok... So basically rip the engine out n go from there... Why is it not possible to just replace the piston? I'll put pics up of the boar tomorrow. 1st thing I need to do is drop the auto box off!! I've already brought a new head. Getting cleaned up and port and polished too. So I'll avoid new engine. For that reason. Money and rego/numbers bullshit. When you say rebuild what are we talking.. Full bottom end sent away? There's all tiny bits of valve everywhere... So there would be shit down there! The guy I got the head off has the bottom end ( cyl seized) maybe I should grab that for parts??? I'm not 100% clear y I can't just change the piston top to a stockie... Or just not Gna happen? Alot of questions there Adam. Firstly, to remove a piston from the top, you need access to the bottom end, hence why engine should be removed. If there are bits everywhere, more than likely the above will need to be done. If the guy's bottom end siezed, don't touch it!! Hopefully that answers most of your queries EDIT: If you remove the piston in question and it looks OK once you've cleaned all the shit out, there maybe a case for using it again......if the piston is damaged however, changing just one piston may also be a possibility. Without sighting anything though, we're pissing in the wind unfortunately. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef_stagea Posted August 24, 2010 Author Share Posted August 24, 2010 Ok don't want to confuse the situation here... My piston #2 is hacked badly! Not usable at all. I can get a good 2nd hand one for 100... More than stock i no so I'll get onto that... Engines coming out. f*k re-assembling in the car, I'll get some pics for you all tho. Alot of questions there Adam.Firstly, to remove a piston from the top, you need access to the bottom end, hence why engine should be removed. If there are bits everywhere, more than likely the above will need to be done. If the guy's bottom end siezed, don't touch it!! Hopefully that answers most of your queries EDIT: If you remove the piston in question and it looks OK once you've cleaned all the shit out, there maybe a case for using it again......if the piston is damaged however, changing just one piston may also be a possibility. Without sighting anything though, we're pissing in the wind unfortunately. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_Stirls Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 you really should balance the new piston the to other 5. Since you are going to have the engine out i would whack some rings and bearings in it and perhaps give it a light hone. It will cost you a couple hundred more and then you will have a fresh bottom end. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissR34 Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 if you want give my mate dave a call at grange road auto worx - 8346 3004. let him know that you know me. he is building my gen 3 ls1 race engine atm. he knows what he is doing Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5414839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRoNic... Posted August 24, 2010 Share Posted August 24, 2010 Do you post from your iPhone or something Adam? Everything you post is always centred :| Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krishy Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 whats wrong with being centered Dan??? i am contemplating rebuilding my old RB25 and well that has the same as what adam has done to his.....piston-valve loving.....should be a good way to learn more about the beloved RB25 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rad100 Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 i have an engine crane u can borrow and even a engine stand.. let me know if u wanna borrow it. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLED Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 you really should balance the new piston the to other 5.Since you are going to have the engine out i would whack some rings and bearings in it and perhaps give it a light hone. It will cost you a couple hundred more and then you will have a fresh bottom end. yeah, as Dale said Adam. If your pistion is totally stuffed, I'm guessing it's also had an effect on your cylinder......which will then need to be bored along with the other cylinders (plus new oversize pistons & rings). Even if the bore has not been marked by debris, you'll still need new rings for that second hand piston and at the very least, have it lightly honed (and ridge removed if any to avoid top ring damage) otherwise the rings for that cylinder won't bed in & therefore won't hold compression or control oil blow-by. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damo_R34 Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 sounds like a perfect candidate for a 30 bottom end! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef_stagea Posted August 25, 2010 Author Share Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) sounds like a perfect candidate for a 30 bottom end! would love to damo but i just cannot afford to go down this track... truth needs to come out the belt that was in there was only 10k old!!! but i allready had it off b4 i knew!! anyway yes i post on an iphone sometimes, it wont let me select the screen so i have to use a special item tool thing. here some pics anyway... i think ill just f**k this engine off, the 34 neos obviously RWD... is it a matter of putting the stagea sump etc onto it and off i go? im going away friday, but will let you know about the crain and stand. but that would be amazing! the boar doesnt look too good in that pic, bit it feels smooth. Edited August 25, 2010 by chef_stagea Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krishy Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 damn....going with another engine would prob be a cheaper option unless your doing everything yourself...... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig R33 Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 would have been even cheaper if he let an experienced person replace timing belt.... lesson learnt? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heslo Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 i think ill just f**k this engine off, the 34 neos obviously RWD... is it a matter of putting the stagea sump etc onto it and off i go? Not as simple as that IIRC, don't think a RWD can be converted to AWD would have been even cheaper if he let an experienced person replace timing belt....lesson learnt? Most definitely! Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef_stagea Posted August 25, 2010 Author Share Posted August 25, 2010 not wrong there!! what would a legit price on a 32R engine and box be do u rekn? no change from 5 atleast.... Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heslo Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Atleast, especially if you bought locally. Maybe more luck on Jap auctions? And I'd go for a 33R motor over a 32, too many issues Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/334164-removing-pistons/#findComment-5415867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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