Should A 300km Per Hour

[hrd-hr30]

its a bit deeper than that harry. Time attack is a new fangled name for sprints that generally exclude cams from the equation for all the above mentioned reasons.

My reply was directed at Duncs reference to time attack stepping in to line with cams rules. Wont happen. the whole idea was to move away from their draconian ideas.

it doesn't need to exclude CAMS from the equation. The event format is the same as a CAMS Sprint event and can run under that permit. CAMS will approve permits for events with different than normal classes, as you have seen with Superlap/WTAC. And NSW have different classes at speed events than we do in QLD, and WA do it their own way too.

To answer the previous question, CAMS don't run "Time Attacks". CAMS don't organise any events. Clubs do. SAuQLD is a CAMS Affiliated club, so stop complaining and start organising events with classes that all the TimeAttack crew want! hehe

[FineLine]

it doesn't need to exclude CAMS from the equation. The event format is the same as a CAMS Sprint event and can run under that permit. CAMS will approve permits for events with different than normal classes, as you have seen with Superlap/WTAC. And NSW have different classes at speed events than we do in QLD, and WA do it their own way too.

To answer the previous question, CAMS don't run "Time Attacks". CAMS don't organise any events. Clubs do. SAuQLD is a CAMS Affiliated club, so stop complaining and start organising events with classes that all the TimeAttack crew want! hehe

we affiliated for those members wanting to venture further field Harry, To date no "MEMBERS" have taken advantage of it.

[djr81]

it doesn't need to exclude CAMS from the equation. The event format is the same as a CAMS Sprint event and can run under that permit. CAMS will approve permits for events with different than normal classes, as you have seen with Superlap/WTAC. And NSW have different classes at speed events than we do in QLD, and WA do it their own way too.

To answer the previous question, CAMS don't run "Time Attacks". CAMS don't organise any events. Clubs do. SAuQLD is a CAMS Affiliated club, so stop complaining and start organising events with classes that all the TimeAttack crew want! hehe

In WA neither CAMS nor the series run events. They are run by the car clubs themselves. See here.

2010SESeriesRegulations.pdf

[hrd-hr30]

we affiliated for those members wanting to venture further field Harry, To date no "MEMBERS" have taken advantage of it.

I've been a member for a couple of years and have done CAMS hillclimbs, sprints interstate and locally with it. Its not as hard as you make out. Their classes aren't ideal for imports, but not as bad as NSW by all accounts! Skylines can run in sports cars at most QLD CAMS events and get out there and have fun. Alot of club level events would let them into Improved Prod as well.

[hrd-hr30]

One other thing I'd like to know....a couple of people have made a distinction about "Race" cars as though they are inherantly faster than a street car. In my experience a log booked race car is likely to be less modified and heavier (cage etc) than the average road car that turns up to a sprint - so why make the distinction?

Common regs should be common regs. A car should not be allowed more (or less) mods because it happens to have a number plate.

well race car roll cages are not really a weight penalty, they're also a performance advantage. And I'm not really sure about most race cars being less modified and heavier than the average road car at events! But otherwise yeah, if the 'race' car fits the regs there's no need to really make a distinction between race and road cars.

The fastest car at the Australian Championships was road registered. And he drove it home! On a more normal level of performance, at the servo on the way home I was filling up next to a trailer-sailor stripped out Datto 1600 "race car" with full cage and FJ20T. He was only a few tenths faster than my full street trim 180SX that I drove home in climate controled comfort.

I guess in my example classes, you could rename the classes and remove the registered requirement. Make the "Race" category for anything with things like: slicks, perspex, lightweight panels other than bonnets, or other modifcations in excess of what's allowed in MS.

EDIT: you know what? its probably easier and more sensible to just use CAMS Race classes for Sprints, but drop the restrictor requirement for Improved Production, allow a fibreglass bonnet, and a few rose joints. Particularly as SuperSprints are supposed to be a stepping stone to racing - makes sence to use the racing classes rather than try to re-invent the wheel totally.

Edited December 1, 2010 by hrd-hr30

[FineLine]

I've been a member for a couple of years and have done CAMS hillclimbs, sprints interstate and locally with it. Its not as hard as you make out. Their classes aren't ideal for imports, but not as bad as NSW by all accounts! Skylines can run in sports cars at most QLD CAMS events and get out there and have fun. Alot of club level events would let them into Improved Prod as well.

I am not holding anybody back Harry, More power to those like yourself and Nod and the berry boys etc who go out and do it. I'm happy doin what I do for the moment and I guess most others are too or more would take advantge of our cams access.

[Nee-san]

well race car roll cages are not really a weight penalty, they're also a performance advantage. And I'm not really sure about most race cars being less modified and heavier than the average road car at events! But otherwise yeah, if the 'race' car fits the regs there's no need to really make a distinction between race and road cars.

The fastest car at the Australian Championships was road registered. And he drove it home! On a more normal level of performance, at the servo on the way home I was filling up next to a trailer-sailor stripped out Datto 1600 "race car" with full cage and FJ20T. He was only a few tenths faster than my full street trim 180SX that I drove home in climate controled comfort.

I think a lot of this stems from ambiguity around the actual distinction of "Race Car"

Why not make the distinction between what constitutes are Race Car and a street car and then just separate them at the beginning ?

[R32 Stuart]

QUOTE (hrd-hr30 @ 1 Dec 2010, 04:32 PM) well race car roll cages are not really a weight penalty, they're also a performance advantage. And I'm not really sure about most race cars being less modified and heavier than the average road car at events! But otherwise yeah, if the 'race' car fits the regs there's no need to really make a distinction between race and road cars.

The fastest car at the Australian Championships was road registered. And he drove it home! On a more normal level of performance, at the servo on the way home I was filling up next to a trailer-sailor stripped out Datto 1600 "race car" with full cage and FJ20T. He was only a few tenths faster than my full street trim 180SX that I drove home in climate controled comfort.

I think a lot of this stems from ambiguity around the actual distinction of "Race Car"

Why not make the distinction between what constitutes are Race Car and a street car and then just separate them at the beginning ?

Was this a honda powered supercharged no roof less that 1000 kg car running in all class 2A, 2B 2F as previously explained wouldn't really class this as road registered under aussie rules as the car didnt comply for CAMs did somehow comply for QLD Aussie These days as an Aussie Champion not less than 10 times in hillclimb and supersprint, these trophys have all been chucked out the back shed cause they are not worth a squirt of piss - I don't give a rats if your running a V8 holden, 4cly Datto or an SV Spec car.

CAMs have no control, the rules suck, if you can find someone that will make them eligable even if they are written in black and white - secondly, as far as most are concerned to contest an Australian Title, first you must have a recognised class to contest or defend, in QLD I was pissed to start with - glad I was'nt running 2F shopping car in the group. from what I read of CAMs supp regs, it states Hillclimbs and Supersprints must be run under speed event rules at state and national level I assume - doesn't say otherwise - I believe it also states Type 1,2,3, 4, 5 and SV

How can it be so difficult for this to be done. Do we really need 25 historic classes in hillclimb or eg Type SV 1, 2, 3 4 as run in ACT apparently or we could go to QLD and SA and have more and more blah blah blah

Surely we could go back to the basics of 1,2,3,4, 5 and SV even if they have to be split into levels 1 - 2 as per back in the 80's if you don't fit move on. And as far as slicks go if it has for racing purpose only put a cage in or put your roadies back on and church and shopping use only

Cheers

[R32 Stuart]

QUOTE (FineLine @ 1 Dec 2010, 01:43 PM) its a bit deeper than that harry. Time attack is a new fangled name for sprints that generally exclude cams from the equation for all the above mentioned reasons.

My reply was directed at Duncs reference to time attack stepping in to line with cams rules. Wont happen. the whole idea was to move away from their draconian ideas.

it doesn't need to exclude CAMS from the equation. The event format is the same as a CAMS Sprint event and can run under that permit. CAMS will approve permits for events with different than normal classes, as you have seen with Superlap/WTAC. And NSW have different classes at speed events than we do in QLD, and WA do it their own way too.

To answer the previous question, CAMS don't run "Time Attacks". CAMS don't organise any events. Clubs do. SAuQLD is a CAMS Affiliated club, so stop complaining and start organising events with classes that all the TimeAttack crew want! hehe

You got that wrong, I think CAMs are already out of the equation by many. I am sure they have worked it out by registrations and renewals, you are correct that the clubs organise the event, this is the problem - if the club can't read the rule book and CAMs stamp it - people are gunna get peeed off.

Its about time for an update

[Duncan]

Interesting that a bunch of people on a website with same/similar cars can't agree on a set of rules. I'd hate the job, you could never keep everyone happy, especially in a transition period.

Having said that, here are Duncan's motorsport categories, hereby solving all problems.

2 categories - sports and touring cars. sports cars have 1 or 2 seats and can be open or closed. touring cars have at least 4 seats.

3 classes in each:

Standard: Only allow reliability mods like coolers/radiator. ECU and suspension free. Brakes free under standard size wheels. Street tyres only.

Improved: No aero. Engine swaps from the same manufacturer with the same number of cylinders. Suspension pickups can be moved slightly. Gearbox and diff internals free but not sequential. Wheels +1" wide and +1" taller than factory. Semi Slicks only.

Open: Aero. Cages. Spaceframes. Slicks. Sequential gears OK. 4wd/2wd/front engine/rear engine/whatever, go for it.

Each broken into capacity groups: 0-1600, 1601-3000, over 3000. Turbo, rotary or supercharger x2.

Not many classes, so not many hard choices. In total 2 x 3 x 3 = 18 groups to place within.

[R32 Stuart]

I am with you Marlin, I started the thread - anyways - I just won Bathurst Supersprint and Hillclimb Speed Weekend in R33 under Sports Sedan class. My partner and good typist, ran our R32 in Type SV and got 2nd in supersprint and 1st hillclimb, Karen's a daily driver once a year at this event of late.

Good to see Steve's - Torana, again got record for classes. I spose raises the question is this a step above Duncans no class record.

Anyway if the R35s are keen Easter looks like fun in regularity 2S I'd say theres about 3 chances of getting a run. One starts with I am first, Fa, next Nc,

So that means, if it goes ahead? It will be nice to have all you friends for accomodation that weekend - price negotiable!

Cheers - register and have a go

I don't even get the point of this entire thread, or exactly what question the OP was asking? And I can't even read that ^^^^!

[LSX-438]

...I'd hate the job, you could never keep everyone happy, especially in a transition period....

Very true. it would be a bitch of a job.

[zebra]

So its now 2012

Who is happy, who isnt?

I'm not real happy, wanted to run the Supra in 3E prod, basically got told, gtfo its too hard and we dont want your kind around these parts.....but if I had the locally delivered 3L version of the same car that would be fine...but oh no...my 12 extra killerwasps and 500cc less capacity are a big no no lol

So like most I'll be going AASA and do battle with sport sedans/time attack cars and MX5's

[Risking]

^^^^^^

which will never happen anyways....

[zebra]

...one say it will

If shit stops breaking on my bloody cars! Lol

[Hadouken]

Maybe you should take the turbo off, heard it makes it light up the rears n shit.

[MsR]

but yes I would rather hit a wall in a 60klm/h offset crash in an R35 GTR than a 1600.

i wouldnt want to crash either hahaha