The Wasteland 2011 Edition

[Nightcrawler]

^^^ and he is dead right.

Funny (well ironic) thing in this whole debate, is that you all won't see the truth until it is way too late and you are burning in hell. It is all well and good for you not to have faith and think that when you die the lights go out and that is it. But for the rest of eternity you are going to regret your short sighted decision.

So you had better live life to the fullest while you are here. Your time here on earth is very short compared to the afterlife.

So I will throw the question askers a return question about the Bible, the foundation of Christian faith - if there is no God and it is all made up, can you then honestly maintain that the Bibile is all made up? Historically documented from various sources, with multiple people telling the same stories from different perspectives and persuasions, collated over centuries. Did someone just make up the whole thing and it suddenly became fact?

[Nonie_13]

Everyone has their beliefs and they'll tell you there opinion till the blue in the face.

I'm athiest and the more people talk about religion and there beliefs it make me glad to be one. I call it realist - I can't see it or evidence then its never happened. As Heslo said if there was a higher power then why would HE create disabilities? Why would he not want us all to be equal (gay rights) and why would he take loved ones with the kindest hearts way before there time?

[Nightcrawler]

^^^ you need to take those issues up with the devil.

And you will find that the VAST majority of people born with disabilities are born to parents with addictions or bad practices during pregnancy. Fact. Humans are inherenlty evil and bring it on themselves. Again, the devil.

[Damo_R34]

The only thing i know is that no good can come from a conflicting discussion where either side whole heartedly believes their side of the story.

[Import S13]

^^^ and he is dead right.

Funny (well ironic) thing in this whole debate, is that you all won't see the truth until it is way too late and you are burning in hell. It is all well and good for you not to have faith and think that when you die the lights go out and that is it. But for the rest of eternity you are going to regret your short sighted decision.

So you had better live life to the fullest while you are here. Your time here on earth is very short compared to the afterlife.

So I will throw the question askers a return question about the Bible, the foundation of Christian faith - if there is no God and it is all made up, can you then honestly maintain that the Bibile is all made up? Historically documented from various sources, with multiple people telling the same stories from different perspectives and persuasions, collated over centuries. Did someone just make up the whole thing and it suddenly became fact?

First off, I'm not having a go so don't take it the wrong way, but I'm happy to cop it if I'm wrong in any way.

Do you really think that the world is only 5,000 years old, Andrew?

Even with all the proof to back it up?

Also, with the historical documents. There's no proof to back those up either so I wont start a shit fight over it. All I really know is, scientists have proven earth has been around for 5 billion years, thus disproving the bibles 5,000 year old theory.

Evolution is happening right now, animals, humans, bacteria, yeast ( viruses aren't classified as life). Go looking, and you will find it. Easy not to find stuff, if you don't want to find it, yet I am quite happy to have the truth the sphincter of the universe slapped across my face once it's finally found.

Just like Scientology though, someone made that up, yet some people now are calling it fact and it's only new!

[SLED]

Kye I'm not 100% sure on this but I think there's no reference to how old the earth is in the bible just creation being 6000 years old

Carbon dating by the way has fallen over itself that many times it's not funny. ie. I've heard of bones being discovered that were supposed to be 100 million years old and they turned out to be Mavis's dog that was buried 12 years ago.....lots of shit like that.

Either way guys, there doesn't seem to be enough evidence either way and both systems require a level of faith

[Nightcrawler]

Damo is right - it is an argument that can't be won.

But regarding the earth's age - number one fact is that carbon dating has now been found to be completely unreliable. But more importantly; don't you think that a deity capable of creating the Earth and mankind can put fossils (and whatever the heck he likes) in the ground and make them seem any age? Maybe he did it to test people's faith. Maybe he did it so we would have a fuel source. There are millions of maybes.

Fact is that I believe in a higher power, and that those who don't will be summarily dealt with - either at their death or on judement day. If I were a non-believer I would hope that judgement day is not too far off!

And I understand that there are plenty of loonies that preach in the name of all sorts of deities (read: scientologists), and it is easy to discredit religion if that is your aim. Fact is, if you haven't been baptised (and I am guessing that most of you haven't been), then you are controlled by the devil anyhow. It is amazing what he makes people say, believe and do. Believe it or not, it makes no difference to me.

My belief: I live and will die a Christian, and will be going to heaven. Those who don't will live eternity in hellfire. Fullstop.

[Damo_R34]

I was baptised, ill see you up there mate!

[pistol-pete]

Religion served a purpose once, when man was too stupid as a species to explain anything.

Now we know better.

Edit: well some of us do anyway

[pistol-pete]

Fact. Humans are inherenlty evil and bring it on themselves. Again, the devil.

Btw a religion that teaches that is f**king retarded IMO. All it serves is to aid a small group maintain power over the masses. "Do as we say or burn forever!"

[Matty Sherlock]

Thats why Im a scientologist.

[illmatic]

I thought God used to play for Geelong?

[HOSTILE]

^LOL Matty!

This argument could go on for all eternity! ...perhaps there should be a thread for deep and meaningful discussions??

[HOSTILE]

I thought God used to play for Geelong?

Indeed Brett!!

[Krishy]

<i>so no one turning to jihad</i> <img src="../../public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif" class="bbc_emoticon" alt=""><br><br>The

debate about religion is never ending. As long as we live together in

harmony, treat each other with respect, we will all learn to get along

just fine

[Nonie_13]

The one thing I have to love about religion and those that believe is there always wanting to preech there opinions onto others, athiest on the other hand have to listen to others beliefs about death beds and afterlife, and how those that dont bow down to the son of rajab will suffer.

Was never baptisted and don't believe in any religion what so ever.

[Damo_R34]

The one thing I have to love about religion and those that believe is there always wanting to preech there opinions onto others, athiest on the other hand have to listen to others beliefs about death beds and afterlife, and how those that dont bow down to the son of rajab will suffer.

Was never baptisted and don't believe in any religion what so ever.

Nah thats not true, not everyone who has a faith tries to shove it down others throats. Its like saying that everyone who has an import, street races and drifts in the suburbs.

90% of the time, your faith is determined by how you were brought up.

[jrm]

Whether we want to realise it, we were all born atheists. It's upbringing, parental influences and culture that turn people into believers.

I have no problem with christians, they're welcome to believe whatever they want. I'll continue to question everything, and always look for answers.

[Import S13]

Either way guys, there doesn't seem to be enough evidence either way and both systems require a level of faith

AGREE!

Damo is right - it is an argument that can't be won.

But regarding the earth's age - number one fact is that carbon dating has now been found to be completely unreliable. But more importantly; don't you think that a deity capable of creating the Earth and mankind can put fossils (and whatever the heck he likes) in the ground and make them seem any age? Maybe he did it to test people's faith. Maybe he did it so we would have a fuel source. There are millions of maybes.

Maybe he should have just put Bp98 everywhere instead of making us dig km's underground for it!

But seriously, no I don't believe that someone just put them there. Just seems way to farfeched to even fathom the thought after all the study that I've done for my field of work. I'm no expert and I'm still learning but even the basics tell you otherwise.

Fact is that I believe in a higher power, and that those who don't will be summarily dealt with - either at their death or on judement day. If I were a non-believer I would hope that judgement day is not too far off!

And I understand that there are plenty of loonies that preach in the name of all sorts of deities (read: scientologists), and it is easy to discredit religion if that is your aim. Fact is, if you haven't been baptised (and I am guessing that most of you haven't been), then you are controlled by the devil anyhow. It is amazing what he makes people say, believe and do. Believe it or not, it makes no difference to me.

My belief: I live and will die a Christian, and will be going to heaven. Those who don't will live eternity in hellfire. Fullstop.

I have been baptised and went to a religous school and I wasn't trying to discredit anything.

[Damo_R34]

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