r32's and drifting?

[hayai32]

i'm not really a daily drifter (no cash 4 tyres etc...) but i can't help but notice my 32 is a bit tricky to drift (please refrain from saying "that's probably because ur a sh#t drifter"). i have standard worn lsd and mismatched(springrates + shocks) lowered suspension which definately doesn't help. probably a safe bet that a fair few people on this forum drive a 32 and i wouldn't mind hearing what u have to say. unfortunately i have no other car to base a comparison but i have noticed that r32 drift cars are not very common (in comparison to sr20 based cars) in japan. is the 32 a good drift base? current mods to my 32 = fmic, hd clutch, pod, boost up, full exhaust. next on the list is coilovers and drift based lsd. if anyone here has done these mods i would appreciate before and after comments. cheers.

[Babalouie]

Locking the HICAS should also be in that list somewhere. My brother had a '32 with those same mods as you're planning, and that made a lot of difference, and took out a lot of the understeer.

[Duncan]

start with the diff, a 15yo one won't have much "limited" left, which means its just a slip diff.

[Babalouie]

start with the diff, a 15yo one won't have much "limited" left, which means its just a slip diff.

"Unlimited" slip diff?

[Bakadesu!]

I know it's not the same car, but I've been modifying a 180SX from stock to drift (pic from last Saturday) and I've added all the mods you mentioned, minus the FMIC and boost up.

The coilovers stopped the suspension loading up so much, so there wasn't that big uncontrollable " bounce-flick" when changing directions. A larger swaybar in the back (from an R32 GTR) helped even more (you may need something bigger and custom, and I've been recommended a custom K-Mac by a Skyline driver). The only problem with the stiff coilovers was the car's body flexed too much (the plastic trim was creaking very loudly up driveways :Oops: ), so get some front and rear strut braces at the same time if you can.

There may not be a whole lot of Skylines in D1, but coverage of smaller local events in Battle Magazine and Drift Tengoku show them to be just as commonly drifted (mostly 32's) as any other car.

[Chef_32]

what shows greater handling improvement: front sway bar, or rear swaybar??

I'll only be able to do one at a time, and can't decide.

There are a couple of drifters on Fulllock that have r32's. I think the main thing is the weight, maybe drop a few kg's off the back, to match the s13's.

[hayai32]

Bakadesu!: what lsd did you go with? how much difference did it make? cheers.

[Bakadesu!]

(PM sent) The biggest difference with the clutch pack LSD was the increased corner speed compared to what I was used to with the standard viscous LSD, so I kept running wide until I got used to it. To be honest, learning with the viscous LSD turned out good, because you need to be a lot more aggressive with the clutch pack LSD, since the car wants to understeer unless you really throw it in, which requires a better suspension setup for more turn-in grip, which I'm lacking in, a bit.

From what I know, the rear swaybar stiffness is more important, since keeping the weight evenly distributed over the rear wheels makes it more predictable and easier to change direction. Because of the way the car moves when drifting, it tries to lift the inner front wheel, so keeping the front swaybar softer than you expect to keep the wheel on the road is a good idea.

When I was setting up the car, I asked a guy who set up race cars to work out the settings for me. It takes some convincing to get them to do it ("Are you sure you want to do that?" :bahaha: ), but it's worth it, since they know what suspension settings do what.

[Laurence]

Just a pic... I like it...

[hayai32]

i know what you mean about having to throw it into the corner and be aggressive with the stock lsd. the inconsistency of the stocker is dangerous, it takes too much effort to get it sideways. well u know what i mean. ill definately get the coilovers and braces first then the lsd. I'm thinkin kei office or tein coils from japan, braces from aus and a kaaz 2way from japan. cheers for the posts every1

[Mase]

maybe you just need to build your confidence up bud. Your best bet would be to go out to a track day and practise. You'll know exactly what needs doing yourself after a few laps, or you can hit some vacant industrial estates late at night but i might get flamed for sayign that. But beware, the industrial estates may seem harmless but be prepared to flip the bill for some panel work. Monday night we went drifting and we had done some real good corners and when it came to one turn i'd done heaps of times and thought i could do with my eyes closed, it all turned for the worse.. Just be prepared to fork out for a bit of panel work occasionally and practise in safe environments as much as possible. I'd like to say i always do it at the track, but track events are 2 months apart.

Qld needs a dedicated drift track and i'm thinking of maybe organising a petition to send to parliament for it as this state's drift scene is becomming bigger and bigger.

anyways i had my rant, here's my acco pic from the other night!!!

[Chef_32]

ouch, hehe, now you can say the cars got character. those rims look nice though.

The diffs are damn pricey though aren't they, really worth the cost?? I suppose thats all part of the sport.

I was thinking bout the hicas. I used to figure that i wounld't try anything over 80 k's but i realise now that when you're on throttle mid corner, the speedo registers more than 80 so your hicas can become active mid corner and throw you off your line.

Definately worth considering.

[46n2]

Try starting out using the handbrake to get it started, and move on from there. My 32 is fairly prone to oversteer even though I have std turbo. The biggest difference I noticed was when I added a front swaybar (I picked up a cheap ARC swaybar from one of the guyss from the forum). after this the car was more prone to oversteer even though at the time I was only running 11PSI.

I had a set of HKS coilovers installed then (with a stiff springrate), but I have recently changed them over to TEIN HA's and HR's. (PM Me if u r interested in buying the HKS coilovers from me). And I also had aftermarket Caster rods fitted which seemed to make the car easier to handle while oversteering.

With HICAS you could always buy a lock kit, but My 32 has Hicas and it hasn't yet proven to be much of a problem

good luck and happy drifting

46n2

[XplodeSkyline]

i will admit to drifting a stock r33gtst, only got cat back exh, and my lsd is stuffed!!!! like others have said, practise, make sure you've got alot of room, becuse you are goin fast when you do it and the road runs out VERY quickly when things go wrong!! and they will!!! Adam from Boardside drifting has a r32, with no alot of engine mods, but very good suspension setup, and if you've ever seen him drift, you'll see that they can be good!!!!! But my mate got rear sway bar and made it alot easier he thinks, so maybe go with that opion. But if you practise on the roads, and get court, in Vic you get totally reamed out by the cops!!!

[Babalouie]

what shows greater handling improvement: front sway bar, or rear swaybar??

I'll only be able to do one at a time, and can't decide.

As long as your suspension isn't too soft (in which case stiffening up one end increases grip), then the rule is Bigger rear swaybar = more oversteer, Bigger front swaybar = more understeer.

[drifto]

The biggest prob with 32's is that lack of torque off boost and the mid range revs you need to get it on boost.

But after going for a few laps around Oran Park with Ian Luff driving my 32, stuffed LSD and all. I think a landcruiser could be drifted if driver is good enough.

He simply goes mega quick into the corner then jumps on the brakes and throws out the back on the entry. Once it's sliding it's easy to keep the wheel spinning and then balance the car.

I couldn't beleive the speed, lilke 3rd gear +100k's into almost every corner. He dropped a wheel off each side of the track and clipped every ripple strip with perfection choosing the line he wanted. Legend!

[Duncan]

lucky you got it back without him rolling it into a gravel trap

[Roy]

But after going for a few laps around Oran Park with Ian Luff driving my 32, stuffed LSD and all. I think a landcruiser could be drifted if driver is good enough.

I couldn't beleive the speed, lilke 3rd gear +100k's into almost every corner. He dropped a wheel off each side of the track and clipped every ripple strip with perfection choosing the line he wanted. Legend!

lucky you got it back without him rolling it into a gravel trap

:bahaha: ... Gee, what would make you say a thing like that?

Yeh Ian Luff had a drive of my car too, without my permission...helped himself to the keys and asked if i wantd to come !

Have to agree with Drifto, the guy did in my car stuff i could never do, but then again would never try to do, as i dont like bouncing the car off rev limiters in 2nd and 3rd gear sideways with the tyres smoking and diff screaming for mercy! Teh throws me the keys afterwards, no thankyou, and tells me to move it, its in the way of other cars

[mist]

regardless of car, I'd do the following:

drift spec coilovers

2-way mechanical LSD

front and rear strut tower bars

front and rear adjustable and thicker sway bars

hard bushes front and rear / alloy spacers rear

tyres with hard sidewalls/choice of size to stretch onto rim - don't want sidewall flex

pillowball tension rod

front & rear adjustable camber arms

on my own car, i've fitted everything but the last 2 items, learning to drift at each trackday, but have to say, very nice handling + progression atm with the parts listed that i have. I drive a 32

[Majanal]

Firstly.

Guys, please no more refferences to illigal street drifting. Would be nice if you maybe removed that from your post too guys

And back to the question.

I would consider that seems to be most shagged, if your diff is only spinning one wheel, then your still gonna find it a pig to drift with decent suspension in. however if your diff is still spinning two wheels then it is really your choice.

I would probably just put a diff ahead of suspension, but not by much. A very good and reasonably cheap suspension kit for a beginer is the whiteline kit (which just happens to be going for $2055 in a group buy with a years Membership to SAU-NSW included, $2k for members)

anyway... hope that helps a bit.

Dan.