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RS4S = manual.

So if it has a gear stick and clutch, it's an S :)

RS4V = slusher.

There are some other differences such as the triple gauges in front of the gear stick, RS4S badge, skinnier rear track on the S and I believe the S has more power (206kw vs ~170kw ) but I'm certainly not 100% sure about this one.

Not sure what your budget is, but RS4S' go for about half the price of the 260rs'.

You can get a good RS4S for ~$10k whereas a good 260rs will set you back ~$18k-20k

You get more for your money, of course, such as the RB26 (although some might suggest an RB25 neo is preferred over an RB26 but that's for another thread) and big brakes, but $8k-$10k is a lot of coin.

They are both 206kw stock. Well that's quoted power figures.

26s have more scope for power, stock, but Neos have an arguably better head design which helps to narrow the capacity deficit.

Also 25s are cheaper to mod as you either need only one turbo or you don't need to spend the money making it single turbo, so you're ahead from step one.

EDIT: But there is a lot of subjectivity around this issue, so listen to arguments from both sides before deciding.

EDIT #2: for ~$5k you'll get an RS4S to eat a stock 260rs. HG/GT3076, injectors, fuel pump, ECU, AFM, fitting and tune and you've got a solid 300rwkw and a stock 260rs destroyer. Go E85 and, yeah, well the results posted all over the place speak for themselves. 340rwkw (that's ~550hp engine :woot:) figures are being seen with lots of mid range and "area under the curve" which means lag is under control. Of course, all this is doable with an RB26 but you either need more coin for two turbos/AFMs or spend the not inconsiderable amount of cash to go to a single turbo.

Edited by Cowboy1600

whats the stock power compaired between the 2 and if you were to put in a lil bit of coin could you make rs4s go better and what kind of things would make this possible

Stock is usually about 160 awkw. My Rs4 cost $4500 but I have spent about $15k on it where it now has better brakes, suspension and more power than a stock 260RS

If you can't find or afford a 260RS you can get there just the same with a S2 neo building it as you can afford it

how does the gear box ect on a rs4s hande an increase in power is that something else that would need to b done

I believe the Stagea manual box is the same as the GTR. The transfer case on the auto is inferior to the GTR one but I would expect (but don't know for sure) that the manual transfer case would be the same as the GTR.

C34 stags have the plethora of R33/R34 parts to play with! Despite what some will have you believe, the c34's arent that heavy really, there is all of about 80kgs difference from the skyline GTR's! To drive, they are very similar (well with some minor handling mods they are)! M35's VQ motor is very good and even atmo makes really impressive power, but mods are harder & manual would be a mission to achieve! I think of the 35's as more the VIP route. My pick if i was to do this again would have been the RS4S Dayz! Ive got the s1 RS4V, but mine has since snowballed into an epic build from just a mild tweak, haha and the s2 RS4S would have saved me some $ & time! Go the 260RS if money is of no concern, but for the savings the RS4S is a better deal! Although personally, I like the s1 dayz front the most & if your going to go nuts then it doesnt really matter what version you get! Have fun & enjoy!

the c34's arent that heavy really, there is all of about 80kgs difference from the skyline GTR's!

If you compare it to another heavy car like the GTR then yes they are heavier again and if you drive them four up and some luggage.....

Compared to a GTS-t which tips the scales about 400kg lighter then I don't think it is a bum steer to call them heavy considering they are running the same engine. If ever a car should have come with an RB30DET this is it.

But we all love em anyway.

Here are some comparative weights (~Kg) for the different models!

R32

gtst 1280

gtr 1400-1480

R33

gtst 1390

gtr 1530

R34

gtt 1410

gtr 1536

V35

1520-1580

R35

1730-1770

C34

s1 1620

s2 1650

M35

nm 1680-1720

pm 1670

Despite the GTR's getting heavier with each model, they also lapped the Nordschleife quicker each time (ie: weight isnt everything)!

I think comparing it to the Skyline GTR's is a fairer comparison, seeing as they are more closely related to the gtr, than the gtst/gtt, although they are somewhat of a hybrid hunchback cousin of the two!

Wolverine, mine now has the RB30DET!!! :D

Edited by Zorro

I am comparing the Stagea to my R33 GTS-t since they are more or less the same engine and I know exactly how each feels in traffic. GTR's are doggy by comparison to a GTS-t off line as well unless you get serious and/or start sidestepping the clutch.

The RS4S weighs much more than 1620kg, how much extra weight HICAS and the man sized drive shaft is worth beats me but it was well over 1700kg on the weighbridge.

Once they are rolling they go fine never get and argument from me on that score. Off the line the weight hurts them. No one can run and hide from that fact, be it 200kg more 300kg more or 400kg more.

Zorro I imagine the RB30 has transformed the car into what it should have been from factory.

That isn't what either of my car weighs.

The squiggly line means roughly. Those were off the top of my head and proved to be not too far out.

So, now to be precise its 1650 vs 1390. 260kgs is a long way from 400. Of course they won't be as spritely as a GTST, but that's not a long way off. Also, the Stags have a Neo vs your non-neo R33 which helps close the gap.

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