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[rev210]

A true 'street car' is one that is fully complianced and pit passed with all the features it has, a certification for each mod from the dept of transport, an engineer and is insured as per the full disclosure of all this info.

My Family Volvo wagon is a true street car (not a very fast one though), with all its mods. Each one has been engineered and passed by the pits. And my lovely insurer shanons knows about each one of the mods.

There are a few 9 second cars that qualify as per the above statement, sadly none of them are skylines. So lets step up to it boys and girls.

[2rismo]

Errrr... no.

Engineers charge like wounded friggin' bulls.

Adrian

[rev210]

Thats alright adrian in the past when I've had a car that couldn't meet those standards I just said to people it wasn't a true street car and whooped their ass anyway.

How about----- who cares if your car isn't a 'true' street car.

It still goes really fast and if that is the only come back someone has when you beat them try; " yeah it's not a true street car, it's a true fast car unlike your slow peice of crap...." (best use don people who try to bring you down for using NOS --- they love it).

[whatsisname]

Ahhh bugger it, I give up. Better chalk me up in the "cheatin' full drag trim" list then

If I use Nitrous on the drag strip but I'm only breathing it in via a bottle strapped to my back and a diving respirator, would that also add to my list of cheater mod's?

[Steve]

Rev210 and Steve_SST, how do you guys get aftermarket ECUs approved over there.

Sarich orbital was doing IM240 tests (the minimum required in WA last I was there) but they stopped doing them about 12 months ago. Now the closest test place is Adelaide, and thats only with a full ADR 3701 test, and costs 3,500 a pop, pass or fail.

Have they changed the rules over there? I was hoping to pop over that way in the next few months, and would love to get my mods eng certified while I am over:)

Cheers

[Steve]

2rismo, in NSW you can get a heavily modded car engineered for around $600, in SA it will cost over 2,000 without the emissions test - you blokes have it too good:D

[rev210]

Rev210 and Steve_SST, how do you guys get aftermarket ECUs approved over there.

Sarich orbital was doing IM240 tests (the minimum required in WA last I was there) but they stopped doing them about 12 months ago.  Now the closest test place is Adelaide, and thats only with a full ADR 3701 test, and costs 3,500 a pop, pass or fail.

Have they changed the rules over there?  I was hoping to pop over that way in the next few months, and would love to get my mods eng certified while I am over:)

Cheers

Can't say I've had much to do with non-factory ecu's getting passed. The volvo is an emissions complient carby (for the 1970's baby yeah!) plus lpg. The engine conversion, custom gas fit and everything else in certified and passed. Had a few late model engine conversions to older cars but, the old pre 80's cars are/were easier.

To be a 'true' street car, you must answer 'true' to the question of whether your car is completely legal to drive on the road with the modifications it has because they have been authorised. This definition stops silly arguments, unless its an excuse to drink beer.

Whatsisname,

If you use the nitrous on the drag strip with the mask it's only cheating when you have cement in the boot, lead doors and a lead bonnet.

[Skyrine-Dave]

2rismo, in NSW you can get a heavily modded car engineered for around $600, in SA it will cost over 2,000 without the emissions test - you blokes have it too good:D

move to QLD.. i've been told(quoted) its going to cost me ~$150-170 to get my car mod plated with changing ecu, gearbox, turbo, engine, brakes... and i feel jipped cuz my mate paid $120 for his datto!

[GTS-t VSPEC]

I'll be pleased enough to see you run a 12 Paul I know how long it has eluded you mate. Oh well at least you car has done a time 0.3 seconds quicker than my old stocker, I never thought I'd see the day Wait a minute I'll call the guy who has my car now and get him down the drags for a 12' before the season ends so I have another 6-7 months to hang it on you before you get a chance to go again

Sorry to disappoint Dave, but I have a 12sec pass to my name now:D All I need to do is fix my twin-plate clutch so I can get my 11 next season;)

[2rismo]

I have a HUGE problem with the phrases, "True street car", "Street trim" and "Street Legal".

Sorry for CAPS but:

I DON'T RACE ON THE STREET - I DRIVE MY STREET CAR ON THE STREET - I RACE MY DRAG CAR AT THE DRAGS!!!

The fact that they are the same vehicle is the whole point.

I'd love to know if any of the people that crap on and on and on about "street trim" have ever asked any of the V8 commodore/falcon/cortina/torana drivers at street meets if they feel bad cos they're not running in "full street trim".

Do you realise that jap car owners are among the ONLY people in the country that give a shit whether times are run with the seats still bolted in and radial's fitted to the back? Do you realise that everyone else thinks it's a waste of time NOT running slicks?

In the interests of comparison, I see value in running a set of nittos/bf's/hoosier radials before going all out on slicks but that doesn't change the fact that "street trim" is as ridiculous as the statement, "but it runs exactly the same on the street".

/rant

Adrian

[summoner]

You may well think its a waste but I personally like fact I can drive down to the Motorplex, get scrutineered run a reasonable time then drive home(provided my car doesnt break..).

I do have the odd street race. I'd only be lieing to myself if I said I didn't, and if its a daily driven car i'd rather be able to claim its times as is rather than "Drag spec" setup. I also happen to know alot of the v8 brigade who pride themselves on doing it in a car setup same as their street 1. Sure they conveniently happen to drive with full cages 10" wide rims etc but they drive there and run as is. Especially amongst the current gen3 and late model brigade. They may run with slicks but alot(well here in WA.. Home of power over posing), will attempt to do it with street tyres(be it BFG's or cheapie retreads).

Just how we are I guess.

[Steve]

Well, immediately it becomes a problem when you start talking 'street legal' and comparing different states.

In SA, we cannot even fit a BOV, forget turbos (must be stock), turbo timer (even if it is linked to cut out on the hand brake), boost controller (or a bleed), ecus (or interceptors), cams, cam gears, plenum or injectors, external wastegates - they are completely out. Hell even the ride height has to be stock unless engineered - so I suppose if you wanted to go down the 'street legal' path, I think we would all loose to guys that live in queensland or own a pre 1972 car (you can do anything to them here without a problem, twin turbos, supercharge whatever).

In Qld, you can fit any size turbo to a car that came out with a turbo, Power fc is legal without even having a permit, EBCs are also legal. I know because I rang them to see about getting my car engineered and the guy kept saying there was nothing to engineer, or issue a mod plate for - he was an 'approved person' under their mod scheme and recommended to me by Qld tpt dept.

In Vic, you can only fit a POD or a FMIC, its different everywhere.

Bottom line, no matter what the federal laws say, each state interprets them differently - so its not really comparing Apples and Apples when you say 'street legal' now is it?

[Steve]

Skyrine-Dave, I would love to move to Qld, car mod heaven.

[Skyrine-Dave]

haha yeah... I am going to get everything i can mod plated so i have less hassles! I suppose they are very lax about mods up here, i heard last nite from a well known car modder that he doesnt even count an ecu as being a mod. Just looks at it, as long as the car runs, its fine.

Tho we have a rule against modifying the cars power output from within the car (so dual boost controllers with 'missile switch' boost adjustment is illegal)... I will need to look into this because as far as i know you can do the same with an AVC-R, yet still be legal :S double standard laws and picky cops

*enough offtopic from me *

[summoner]

Roy, your mentality is shocking. I'd rather my $300+ RE55's over a cheap nankang anyday. But thats just me.

[N I B]

This is now well of track of the origional topic.

A street car is a car that is street driven on a regular basis end of story, and racced as street driven is just that drive it to the track as u drive it dailey and race it as is.

[rev210]

Sorry to disappoint Dave, but I have a 12sec pass to my name now:D All I need to do is fix my twin-plate clutch so I can get my 11 next season;)

good stuff mate. What was the time / mph and 60ft for the run?

I hope you do get the 11.

[Roy]

Roy, your mentality is shocking. I'd rather my $300+ RE55's over a cheap nankang anyday. But thats just me.

Shocking hey??? You should see my driving and the growth on my chin...thats shocking!

You would rather RE55s over Nankangs? So would i but there isnt anywhere i can buy RE55/A032/A048/DO1J/DZ02Js from for anything near that price, not in the diameters and sizes i run anyway.

Thats why i have a 2nd set of rims with good rubber on them (DO1Js) and another set with the cheapest rubber i can find, as i dont even hit boost half the time when i drive my car on the street. :Oops: so not too concerned about grip, just wear with the susp geometry my car runs.

But im sure the drag times are just like circuit times, if you are running R compund rubber, then you are seen as buying a lap time with good/expensive rubber....

Not that i agree with that attitude...but it seems to be the trend, you did what lap time???... oh he runs R-compound semi slicks.... you did what 1/4 time????...oh he runs Nittos....

[summoner]

True true Roy, I just happen to run R comps on my daily setup, for breaking etc(esp in emegencys) nothing comes close.. and saves me effort changing rims at drags

[BU5TER]

same here I run the Nittos on my normal wheels and the wheels I run at the drags, funny thing was for a long time my fastest time of 11.8 was on the normal everyday rims not the rims I would normaly use at the drags hahaha then I cracked myself a 1.97 60ft with the drag rims and done a 11.7, I can't wait to get racing again its driving me batty