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im a bit confused watching those video's, how do those guys lift so much weight, they dont look big enough to do it,

i was of the belief that muscle size directly related to how much you lift, not saying these guys are skinny or small , just saying they dont look anything close to a dorian yates or a Tommy platz in the hay days..

It's because they have real muscle, not swollen muscles/fat overlay that a lot of people have.

Don't look at the weight anyway. Look at power to weight ratio.

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It's tough to describe but I'll give it a go

The feeling it gives is like my upper outer glute & lower back muscles are twisted...

Makes squatting/deadlifting a no go when it's bad, and even kneeling down or bending over to pick something up is a mission

Lately I've been using the foam roller before every session, releasing the IT band after reading that it may cause lower back and knee pain which I was getting.

My knees don't really feel sore anymorem but the lower back and glutes is always lingering... I'm starting to think there might be a pinched nerve or something like that...A few weeks back I was warming up on squats, started at 60kg, next warmup was 80kg, and as I hit the bottom of the rep, I felt a sharp pain shoot up my back from my glute, and that was the end of the session, over before it started.

When I played football I did my hamstrings 5 times, once on the left (then never again) and 4 on the right (1-2 of those were just light re-strains when coming back). Then the year I decided to hang up the boots, I hit the 5x5 program over what would have been the pre season, did no running at all, was squatting/deadlifting 160 for 5-6 reps at about 82kg. Then the start of the season came around and I got the itch, so I pulled on the boot having not trained for it at all, and managed to play the entire season without a hamstring injury (I'd say due to the core strength gained)

Problem now is I weigh more (90kg carrying a bit of a gut), but I'm lifting much much less (120kg x 6 squat yesterday trying not to flare this up again, 130kg x 6 dead with a belt 5th, 120 x 6 without in the 4th set) Pretty frustrating with the constant up and down of weights due to injury, but I'm still in there working away at it... I've always used massage as a cure, but I'm thinking of seeing a chiro for a look over to see if there's any obvious issues.

I also think my right leg is slightly shorter than my right. Not sure if it's directly related, but the bulk of the soreness is on the right hand side, so it's worth a thought.

Find yourself a good physio. Took me years to recover from a severe tear (gave up for years). Every person to touch them say they are the tighest they have worked on. Anybody can touch my ITB's and feel how lumpy they are. Taking up weights/heavy lifting I have doubled my strength but still get issues, I go at least once a month to physio/massage to stay on top of things.

Best stretches Ive been given were the ones that don't feel like they are pulling on the muscle group directly like; lying on back, one knee pulled into chest, toes pulled towards, whilst other leg is in air, toes pointed.

When doing this I can feel it in my hips, ITB's, down side of my knees. I usually hold it for 10s. Swap over.

You're stretching different muscles of the two legs at same time. It should resemble riding a bike. Extended leg pointed, retracted pulled.

Then I switch to both legs pointing at around 45degrees,toes pointed, then pulling knees into chest, toes pulled towards you.

They actually resemble some 'core' exercises, but they work for me and until I was shown them, stretching never seemed to work. Theory being, if you can feel the muscle pulling, that's exactly what it is doing, pulling against you, not relaxing and stretching out.

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Woudn't be a sciatic would it?

Thought it might be that but never really had it checked. Will have to get it sussed out

Find yourself a good physio. Took me years to recover from a severe tear (gave up for years). Every person to touch them say they are the tighest they have worked on. Anybody can touch my ITB's and feel how lumpy they are. Taking up weights/heavy lifting I have doubled my strength but still get issues, I go at least once a month to physio/massage to stay on top of things.

Best stretches Ive been given were the ones that don't feel like they are pulling on the muscle group directly like; lying on back, one knee pulled into chest, toes pulled towards, whilst other leg is in air, toes pointed.

When doing this I can feel it in my hips, ITB's, down side of my knees. I usually hold it for 10s. Swap over.

You're stretching different muscles of the two legs at same time. It should resemble riding a bike. Extended leg pointed, retracted pulled.

Then I switch to both legs pointing at around 45degrees,toes pointed, then pulling knees into chest, toes pulled towards you.

They actually resemble some 'core' exercises, but they work for me and until I was shown them, stretching never seemed to work. Theory being, if you can feel the muscle pulling, that's exactly what it is doing, pulling against you, not relaxing and stretching out.

There's a good one at my gym, just haven't had the cash to spend on massages when I'm needing them this often...I'll have to get back in there soon while it's not so bad and get in front of it rather than just fix it

There's a good one at my gym, just haven't had the cash to spend on massages when I'm needing them this often...I'll have to get back in there soon while it's not so bad and get in front of it rather than just fix it

Definitely a good idea. Health is the most important thing.

For what its worth, You won't be doing anything if you are trying to release your itb with a foam roller by rolling on the itb itself.

It is just a strong as fuark peice of connective tissue that isn't going to change much. There's a vid of somewhere of people hanging a small car from what used to be someone's itb (they were dead of course).

To do anything to your itb your need to work on the muscles that insert into the itb (glute max and tfl)

If you feel like you are twisted, then I wouldn't mind betting you probably are. This is going to hugely affect the way your sij and lumbar spine are being loaded in weight bearing exercise.

Also, is this leg leg difference you have structural or functional? It will definently be causing issues...

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I started doing the ITB release on the foam roller after I read the symptoms of a tight one (lower back and knee pain) which is part of what I was having, and I think it's helped a bit (just foam rolling in general on my back and glutes etc) but yeah I'd say that a physio will no doubt be able to do more than a foam roller can. The sorer/tighter the ITB feels when foam rolling on it, the more you need it released, and it's definitely less sore now than when I first started, so it has helped a bit.

Not sure what you mean by functional or structural?

I've just noticed that when walking, it feels as though my right leg is slightly shorter and I also notice it when squatting. My right quad 'teardrop' isn't as good as my left one either, but that may be another coincidence.

I have wondered if the right leg being shorter (if it is in fact shorter), whether or not that'd be a big part of the cause of all the right hamstring strains I've had when playing footy...Can't have helped..

dezz - power cages as far as the eyes can see.. awesome...

I can't see anything wrong with yours squats either - although, it looks like your wrists are bent riiiiiight back and would hurt if holding heavier.

I think most people have one side shorter than the other.

mine was 6mm shorter on the right

so I got a 6mm heel to put in my squat shoes.

that's the other thing, perhaps squatting without shoes is causing issues?

Ever had a sports massage?

no happy ending. lots of pain. highly recommended.

Nick - easy lift there.

It looks like your hips raise a little too fast and you don't get as much power from the legs so you probably have a bit more than the 215 you did last time..

you and me.. we're gonna rumble... :D

Dezz do you have a chiropractor? I've had similar issues and most of them eventually ended in a back injury of some kind, I've had a *lot* less since seeing a good chiro regularly.

I had a chiro when I was younger but haven't been for years. There's also a chiro at my gym and they offer a free analysis so I need to book in for that too.

Good news is after filming those 2 vids yesterday I went on to lift/squat the heaviest weight I've done in the last month or so, and while I did have some tightness/soreness in the usual areas, it hasn't flared up like it has before so I'll keep the weights sensible for a while and focus on keeping my form good now that I know it is good and see how I go

Nick - easy lift there.

It looks like your hips raise a little too fast and you don't get as much power from the legs so you probably have a bit more than the 215 you did last time..

you and me.. we're gonna rumble... :D

yep hips came up far too quick on that DL, my other two lifts were better... the 210 I pulled so hard I rocked back on my heels as I locked it out, almost fell backwards

prob had more than 215 in me but wanted the 500 total... if i'd gone for more and failed, leaving me with 495 total, I would've been pissed lol

Dezz: a vid from behind (no homo) would be better to check if your favouring one side/leg... you may want to do some single leg work to make sure you don't have an imbalance there?

also I was linked to mobility.wod and have been watching his videos... I fckn hate doing pretty much every 'stretch' he suggests but it's very educational

I had a chiro when I was younger but haven't been for years. There's also a chiro at my gym and they offer a free analysis so I need to book in for that too.

Good news is after filming those 2 vids yesterday I went on to lift/squat the heaviest weight I've done in the last month or so, and while I did have some tightness/soreness in the usual areas, it hasn't flared up like it has before so I'll keep the weights sensible for a while and focus on keeping my form good now that I know it is good and see how I go

Easy though bro, I did 140kg for reps and 150kg 1RM with no pain, then next session crippled myself with 100kg.

Assuming you didn't completely ignore my phat post earlier, SERIOUSLY GIVE THAT STRETCH A GO! I was getting a bit of soreness just this morning from squats since I really had no energy and subconsciously couldn't be f**ked doing them properly, but after 4 minutes of that stretch per leg I'm feeling 110%

Mark, 99% of guys in the gym simply dont understand, nor will they ever that...............

You build strength in the gym and size in the kitchen

You dont build muscle in the gym, exercise is a catabolic activity, eating is anabolic

What we do in the gym is give muscle a REASON to change, food provides the building blocks to allow it

Easy though bro, I did 140kg for reps and 150kg 1RM with no pain, then next session crippled myself with 100kg.

Assuming you didn't completely ignore my phat post earlier, SERIOUSLY GIVE THAT STRETCH A GO! I was getting a bit of soreness just this morning from squats since I really had no energy and subconsciously couldn't be f**ked doing them properly, but after 4 minutes of that stretch per leg I'm feeling 110%

Yeah I'll give it a go along with some other hamstring/glute stretches I used to do

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