Sleeping

[Birds]

Melatonin one hour before sleep and GABA before bed. You sleep like a baby but wake a bit groggy. Suggested this to a lot of my friends and relatives...worked for every one of them.

This! Melatonin is "teh shiz".

And by that I mean "the shit".

[XGTRX]

Yeah it is. It prepares the body for sleep. GABA is the chemical released by the anterior pituitary that initiates slow wave or deep sleep. As a supplement it has been shown to throw you into deep sleep faster and for longer. Slow wave is where the body repairs and rests. Hence after the groggy feeling when you wake you feel great.

Edited June 17, 2013 by XGTRX

[Birds]

I think everyone with sleep issues should try Melatonin at least once. If it doesn't work then it doesn't work; you lose a few dollars. I have no idea why it's prescription only in Australia, when it's available over counter in the states and, as far as I know, no cases of nasty side effects...which you'd expect with a hormone produced by the body itself. Start with a small dose and go up from there until it does something for you...

[Trozzle]

You sound like a slightly less worked up version of me on a different drug topic LOL

[Birds]

No point getting worked up on the Internet!

But yes I realise that after re-reading it.

[L33SH]

No point getting worked up on the Internet!

But yes I realise that after re-reading it.

maybe you should re read some of your other posts.

[Trozzle]

No point getting worked up on the Internet!

But yes I realise that after re-reading it.

haha nah after I wrote that I realised that I didn't mean to suggest you were worked up at all there, only that you were talking about something in the same way I do ("just try it once, if you don't like it then so be it" kinda deal )

[XGTRX]

Aren't we talking about a chronic insomnia issue that causes serious health consequences rather than illegal substances that people take to be part of the crowd. The Brainless herd. Last post on this topic for me. Again a potentially great topic that d#ckHe!ds f?;kup.

[Trozzle]

rofl cool story bro

[Birds]

haha nah after I wrote that I realised that I didn't mean to suggest you were worked up at all there, only that you were talking about something in the same way I do ("just try it once, if you don't like it then so be it" kinda deal )

Yes this is what I meant lol, I wasn't saying I sounded worked up, only that I sounded a bit like you.

Are you trying to work me up?

[Trozzle]

Yes this is what I meant lol, I wasn't saying I sounded worked up, only that I sounded a bit like you.

Are you trying to work me up?

I dunno, am I?

COME AT ME

Also I have been interested in giving GABA a shot to see if it helps my sleep (or lack thereof), though recently I've actually been sleeping REALLY well....which is confusing as f**k haha

For the record, Bulk Nutrients sell GABA I'll be grabbing some anyway with my next WPI purchase.

[TTT]

my next WPI purchase.

Nice

[-FIGJAM-]

have used gabba it helps once u get the dose right for you but you shouldnt use it for long spans of time. week here and a week there type of thing

[XGTRX]

have used gabba it helps once u get the dose right for you but you shouldnt use it for long spans of time. week here and a week there type of thing

Your are right. Use it to reestablish your sleeping routine. And don't be alarmed of the feelings you get when you take it. Tingling, changes in breathing and some times you feel your body shutting down. 5 grams should be enough.

[XGTRX]

have used gabba it helps once u get the dose right for you but you shouldnt use it for long spans of time. week here and a week there type of thing

Your are right. Use it to reestablish your sleeping routine. And don't be alarmed of the feelings you get when you take it. Tingling, changes in breathing and some times you feel your body shutting down. 5 grams should be enough.

[GTR-N1]

Blue Roc Melatonin 5mg is available here in Oz through Golden Glow. Sublingual > quick acting.

'Tis also able to be produced by your Pineal gland via l-Tryptophan (from your liver or supplement as S.A.D. Powder) > Serotonin (Circle of Willis) > Melatonin (Pineal)

PreGABA consists of 2 amino acids Taurine and Glutamine as precursors > GABA

This is particularly good for improving circadian rhythms in people who toss & turn or are restless sleepers. Look up how Taurine is also nature's anticonvulsant if you wish.

Melatonin-deficient people should always take at least a maintenance dose even when sleep patterns become steady, since it raises your immune system against several types of cancer. You can look that up too if you wish.

Cheers!

[Trozzle]

f**k yeah Terry brings it home as usual. Thanks again for your invaluable input here

[GTR-N1]

Haha, I've noticed that there's more than one person here who's done biochemistry - maybe even genetics.

The NO-NOs before retiring of course include...

* reduce caffeine drinks in the final 3 hours

* hot or uncomfortable mattresses should be given away

* avoid vitamin B complexes in the final 5 hours

* don't listen to talk-back radio stations

* settle arguments or defer conflict to the next day (by saying so)

[XGTRX]

To Terry. Please explain the vitamin B theory. I was under the impression niacin was very good in assisting relaxation. Also arginine assisted me in restful sleep due to the vasodilatation and /or growth hormone support. What are your supported views. Thank you.

[GTR-N1]

Niacin and Niacinamide forms of B3 are as you stated particularly reliable and valid in aiding relaxation.

When I administer a Hoffer-Osmond Diagnostic Test (Uni Saskatchewan) and 4 of the 5 clinical scales show up a Serotonin shortage, I always (subject to how mild/moderate/severe the Scores are), prescribe a B3 Complex to be taken after breakfast &/or lunch with l-Tryptophan (or 5-Hydroxytryptophan) at bedtime (away from other amino acids to get across the blood-brain barrier undiluted).

The Niacin/Niacinamide help to utilise Serotonin better + reduces insulin resistance.

The l-Tryptophan (or 5HTP) is a direct precursor of Serotonin as you'd know.

Initially, B3 creates more excitement and in acid form, vasodilatation. Mid-afternoon tiredness drops away if taken after brekky/lunch. It works in tandem with l-Tryptophan.

Rider:- Of course, one shouldn't take Tryptophan/5HTP whilst on SSRI or SNRI or SDRI drugs but Niacin/B3 you can > and often, patients on the above drugs can lower the doses.

I can add more I know but....

We should discuss...

Birds and others on here too...