ifixedit Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 Hey all R34 GTT... Drove to Vic market this morning.. Driving home.. on deceleration toward traffic lights.. going neutral and engine stalls.. Try turn over click click.. click click.. Interesting.. I have seen very flat battery and bad alternators stall cars... Anyways brother comes to try and charge me.. try turn over.. still click click.. Smack starter a little and get it to turn over.. Serious metal on metal... Noise.. No oil loss, checked for wet oil in top end by fingering my engine... It has lube for sure.. I dunno.. maybe a rod and snapped or the timing belt... Can anyone try help me to diagnose the noise? I cannot tell yet without opening anything Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben C34 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 I doubt an internet diagnosis is going to work in this case, sounds f**ked. And lol at "fingered engine" Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 $5 on broken crankshaft. $10 on broken camshaft, exhaust side. $15 on broken CAS drive. 1 Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkmun Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 My car also died in the city today, Flinders st. Tried to jump it, nothing. Fuel pump was priming, so I thought may be the AFM, unplugged it and it started. Limped it home and starting tearing it apart, tried a working AFM - nothing, front bumper off and checked all intercooler pipes - nothing, fuel rail hose off and turned car into on position - plenty of fuel comes out, pulled plugs - fouled and wet. Not sure what else, will change plugs tomorrow and hope for the best. Will also check all grounding points. Can I assume that it’s getting fuel since plugs were wet to rule out injectors and pump? Anything else I should try? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifixedit Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 44 minutes ago, GTSBoy said: $5 on broken crankshaft. $10 on broken camshaft, exhaust side. $15 on broken CAS drive. CAS drive Curious what ya mean Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 1 minute ago, ifixedit said: CAS drive Curious what ya mean CAS is driven off the front end of the exhaust camshaft. Can break. When it does break, shit stops happening. Or shit starts happening, depending on your point of view. Bad noises, for example. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifixedit Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Nice.. gonna borrow friends engine hoist and stand and take a good look.. Might take off front cover first.. look at the timing belt.. Question... Is it possible to remove engine from engine bay without the a.c. compressor?? Don't wanna f**k with the AC.. it works so well Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkmun Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, ifixedit said: Nice.. gonna borrow friends engine hoist and stand and take a good look.. Might take off front cover first.. look at the timing belt.. Question... Is it possible to remove engine from engine bay without the a.c. compressor?? Don't wanna f**k with the AC.. it works so well Want to give me a hand as well Hahahaha Hope you find out the problem. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEO25T Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, ifixedit said: Question... Is it possible to remove engine from engine bay without the a.c. compressor?? Don't wanna f**k with the AC.. it works so well Yep just unbolt it as well as the power steer pump and put a strap around them to hold to the side out of the way Edited February 23, 2019 by NEO25T Spelling Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifixedit Posted February 23, 2019 Author Share Posted February 23, 2019 Thanks NEO Sadly I actually partially owned a garage in Thailand modding RBs and actually watch a fair bit.. never did a rebuild but will just have a play.. cannot make it worse than it is haha Maybe I can haha.. I might get the complex stuff like headwork if needed to someone So anyone is West Melbourne good at working heads And if need honing done any good places reasonable price? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkmun Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 13 hours ago, ifixedit said: Thanks NEO Sadly I actually partially owned a garage in Thailand modding RBs and actually watch a fair bit.. never did a rebuild but will just have a play.. cannot make it worse than it is haha Maybe I can haha.. I might get the complex stuff like headwork if needed to someone So anyone is West Melbourne good at working heads And if need honing done any good places reasonable price? Any luck today man? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifixedit Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 Nursing a hang over.. will do some tomorrow hehehe let you know what's happening.. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifixedit Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 Okay things don't look so sweet.. on first impressions.. Looks like the stalled engine on approach to traffic lights was basically the CAS saying wooooooo something's up! Looks like the idler pulley for cambelt loose and the bad noise might have been that moving around inside.. Bad bad bad the fact camshafts are not in sync.. Bad bad bad that I tried to keep turning the engine over via starter.. Can anyone weigh in with respect to a starter motor having enough power to bend valves? I remember even on the half turn the engine was not firing to have a combustion cycle.. so interesting to see if the starter motor would just slightly gouge the pistons.. Time will tell when I go deeper.. Images here in Imgur gallery https://imgur.com/a/yNRWr3V Last thing..... Question... Photo where the balancer pulley is.. since the engine is freely rotating half to 3 quarters of a cycle... Is the 10mm screw being held by a ratchet bar a typical way to keep the engine crank still while ratcheting off the bolt? I have ensured there is at least another 30-45 degrees of rotation left from where it's being held.. Or am I suppose to use a longer 10mm bolt and screw it in all the way and let it catch on the engine?? I forgot how the boys use to do this.. I kind of remember using my method haha Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
r32-25t Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Did you change the timing belt recently? Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifixedit Posted February 24, 2019 Author Share Posted February 24, 2019 About a 2 years ago Have done maybe 15k since Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iruvyouskyrine Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Unfortunately that engine is toast by the pics provided. yes the starter is geared low enough to be able to bend valves pretty easily. How far out of phase are the cams? Can you post a front on picture please. Continuing to try and start it has definitely done more harm than good. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTSBoy Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Time to dismantle it. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifixedit Posted February 25, 2019 Author Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 hours ago, iruvyouskyrine said: Unfortunately that engine is toast by the pics provided. yes the starter is geared low enough to be able to bend valves pretty easily. How far out of phase are the cams? Can you post a front on picture please. Continuing to try and start it has definitely done more harm than good. based on the little dot on cam gear and marker.. The intake and exhaust would be no more then few teeth out of allignment.. 3-5 teeth out maybe.. and that might be since I released the belt.. and seen it slip. The main concern in the crank position in relation to the cams.. considering the idler pulley that's no longer mounted would have allowed the crank and cams to misalignment.. I'm going to hazard a guess best chances are... The loose timing belt pulley was jamming the whole thing from turning.. I forced it by forcing the starter motor and heard a terrible grind and stopped instantly. The grind might have been the pulley. I'll slowly take her apart.. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slap Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 As far as im able to tell.....Those timing cam gears are completely misaligned if you have that at tdc cyl. The dots on the teeth of the gears should align to the whitelines on the back cover as they indicate where the markers are approximately. Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slap Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Tdc cyl 1* Do a search in the forrums I'm sure I learnt that here Link to comment https://www.sau.com.au/forums/topic/476120-something-bad-happened-stalled-engine-wont-even-turn-over-full-charged-bang-noise-try-start/#findComment-7899203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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