Whens The New Camry (hsv Killer) Coming Out?

[AMS]

hey, we could always just buy one of those supercharged camry's

[Big Rizza]

Whats toyotas latest sports car?

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Toyota sports cars in Australia currently consist of Soarer (Lexus SC430), MR2, and Celica, none of which are very good IMO. Japan sees some other sporty models in the Chaser and Altezza selection. They also currently have a V10 supercar inspired by their Formula 1 participation in the works. Toyota insiders also state that this is NOT a Supra replacement, which is apparently being worked on seperately. So the future is looking better than the present.

and no.. if the chaser came here, u'd have to pay a shitload for one..

that's y i was hoping the next GTR wouldnt be released here.. now i bet it'll cost us over $150k and it'll stay that expensive for ages..

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I'm hoping the new GTR doesn't come here as well because the Japanese used car market devalues quicker than the Australian market. If the GTR comes out here there will be no cheap imports!

hey, we could always just buy one of those supercharged camry's

I don't think I could spend my own money on a supercharged Camry/Avalon. Just not my cup of tea.

[dezz]

HSV killer lol

im a big ford fan, but come on. HSV/FPV boast close to 100kw more than this car, in some cases more than 100kw.

its gonna take a LOT LESS WEIGHT with that kind of power to kill a HSV or FPV

[**JaR**]

werd.

k so the new camry may have some power, providing that those stats are actual figures not here say. but hsv/fpv killer. no.

[someonestolecc]

because they'd have to sell it here for $70k, and nobody would buy it?

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Yep you have a point there predator

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I don't see why. If they wanted to shift with the times and help us out (so we can have engine transplant shells in 10 years) they'd scrap the camry and avalon and sell similarly priced chasers.

Or even scrap the avalon, keep the camry with the crap-factor and make the chaser the upper model and they'd be laughin... then again some bean-counters have probably already thought about that... or maybe not.

[Big Rizza]

Apparently Toyota looked at getting the Chaser, but opted for the Avalon instead as the Chaser was too small in the back seats. Maybe now that the Australian market is moving away from large cars they will change their minds? (not likely...)

[scathing]

The Australian market is moving away from big cars because they're moving away from big fuel consumption, not because they're moving away from too much rear space.

The Chaser will still be too gas guzzling and too large for the demographic.

[dojobi]

Chasers haven't been sold since 2001, so as nice a car as they are, it would have to be a newer model, like the Mark X. Even the JZX110 which was a Mark II is no longer sold.

Not that this is a bad thing though, as the Mark X looks awesome and has some nice specs. No turbos though

I still can't see why people think they'd cost too much to sell here btw. A base Chaser sold for similar money to a base Camry in Japan.

[Big Rizza]

Chasers haven't been sold since 2001, so as nice a car as they are, it would have to be a newer model, like the Mark X. Even the JZX110 which was a Mark II is no longer sold.

Not that this is a bad thing though, as the Mark X looks awesome and has some nice specs. No turbos though

I still can't see why people think they'd cost too much to sell here btw. A base Chaser sold for similar money to a base Camry in Japan.

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I can see your point. A BASE chaser over here might be sold for mid $30k mark based on comparative Australian/Japanese prices, and the 1JZGTE would maybe compete with HSVs and FPVs on price and performance. They'd be a lot closer in performance than a supercharged camry/avalon anyways. But with no turbo engines anymore, it will never happen.

But non-turbo is no problem . Most japanese manufacturers) have improved their nat-atmo engines greatly over the last 5 to 10 years, and are now a viable alternative to their older turbo charged engines (in standard form - turbos are still waaaay more cost effective to modify). I think it is because NA is easier to meet emmissions standards than turbo, so it is cheaper for them to design and tune atmo engines than turbocharge an engine for the same power. This is shown by many manufacturers moving away from forced induction - Mercedes AMG and Audi RS cars are moving away from turbos and superchargers, the Nissan Z cars and skylines are now non turbo, etc. Many Japanese manufacturers are looking at using Hybrid technology as a performance tool, as the electic motors can provide a power boost as well as reducing emmisions and fuel consumption. Lexus and Honda are both looking at this for their future luxury models.

Based on this, I don't know how Toyota justified developing a supercharged engine for the Camry/Avalon then. Surely a 250kw tuned Lexus V8 would drop straight in to power the front wheels, with 50kw or so of electric motors powering the rear wheels . That might keep up with an HSV/FPV. Beware the torque steer!

[Starionturbo]

Quick Camry,

I have a new Camry Altise as a Company car, and Ill tell ya, they are a very underrated car. I have found the Camry to be more reliable than anything else ive ever driven no matter how hard a time you give it, the fuel economy is insane for the size of the car (close to 700 km a tank (60L) and it is very smooth, revs hard and goes ok for what it is, mine is a 2.4 VVTi twin cam 4 cylinder, but I have driven the V6 and can safely say that it would Waste a V6 commodore. The cars have a lot of space and are comfortable - the whole old people boring stereotype for these cars had lot to do with the previous model - which I also had as a company car, which was cramped, EXTREMELY slow, much less space, not as reliable (tappets etc) and with a boring interior. The new ones are a completely different car and I think they should be acknowledged for that.

The current BASE model Camry altise limited now comes with alloys, trip meters, woodgrain, leather stiched steering wheel, all new closed pockets - its a superb car.

One thing I can say is, when Im a older person and need a Family car I can depend on, Im gonna go a Camry because of there outstanding reliability, economy and space - and I have to say, they look awesome for a stock car - much better than a boxy looking VY or plain jane BA falcon.

[Frink]

each to their own.......

but im gonna jump on the band wagon...... the camry will never be in the same league as a HSV or FPV. im sorry, but a 6 litre clubsport or a 290kw GT will always outclass and out perform a camry.

[drunkenmaster]

Next Camry is 4cyl only - that engine is going to be in the Avalon replacement

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I'd say there will be a V6 premium as always. Might have a different badge.

That supercharged Camry will never see production.

Australia doesn't see many variants as the Australian car market is too small. Selling a car in competition with a locally produced model would be stupid as well.

The sportiest Toyota at the moment in my opinion is the turbo Caldina.

Edited November 10, 2005 by drunkenmaster

[funkymonkey]

maybe a new model Cressida is in order eh? been a while since we had a RWD toyota sedan.

[Big Rizza]

There will be a V6 premium as always.

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What's your source? Or is that just opinion? My sources say the Camry is 4cyl only, if you want a V6 you have to get the Avalon.

Mind you that was from a motoring journallist, and we all know they talk some crap.

[drunkenmaster]

Its not really a well kept secret they are essentially the same car:

http://www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspx?id=10431&vf=1

I didnt realise they were rebadging the V6, but they even admit in the article it is the same platform anyway. Different Commodores have different hanging panels as well, but they are still Commodores.

<--- I may or may not know first hand as well.

Edited November 10, 2005 by drunkenmaster

[E_Lu-SHuN]

yeh the supercharged camry was dubbed the TS-01, but it will never see the lights at the showroom. it was just a one off aussie development

[funkymonkey]

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_...oyota-ts-01.htm

http://www.japanesecarfans.com/news.cfm/Ne...2/toyota/1.html

http://www.gizmag.com.au/go/3800/

[bootlegapparel]

They should just import the damn Chaser...

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haha, i highly doubt toyota would do that, and lose sales of their crap LS series Lexus?

[funkymonkey]

as far as the general australian road going television trusting public goes, Lexus is a different company to Toyota.

Plus the Chaser platform was sold in Australia up until 1992 as the Cressida... it was just downgraded a shitload... same chassis though.

[Abo Bob]

Australia doesn't see many variants as the Australian car market is too small. Selling a car in competition with a locally produced model would be stupid as well.

i think there is more to it than that. New Zealand has an insane variety of cars.