it doesnt make any sense
why would it go R&R after 5psi ? i think something is seriously wrong or you are testing it wrong or guessing
how are you picking up that it's going rich ?
i mean if it was a $25k crate motor with 4500kms on the clock yep be careful, check everything go exact per the spec from the builder
but for a 10+ year old motor with sub 80,000+ ballpark on it, does it really matter?
as long as you dont red line it and load it up aggressively when cold it should be fine
i think you are over complicating it?
just drive it normal and don't load it up mega until water is at least 40deg+
after that you should be OK for some normal load and some boost - don't red line it, but don't panic if it winds up 0.5kgcm2
bog stock ECR33 is fairly mild in terms of power and won't really be able to outperform oodles of cars, but against N/A you should be fine and should be even or a touch slower than v8s
its only when you unlock the restrictions on the ECR33 that it really comes alive. take a stock ECR33 then drive a 200rwkw ECR33, massive difference
with 192rwkw i was able to get 0 to 100 in 4.8 which is pretty quick. but 200rwkw also cost me 10k so it's not a simple flick the boost switch and you get magic 200rwkw
with 192rwkw i have been able to beat almost anything on the street (on my private road). i think from memory only 1 or 2 vl's have really pulled away from me
it's because you are watching a narrow band 02 sensor and the guage is referencing that
the stanard 02 sensor is is narrow which means slow and narrow, ie it only focuses around the 14.7 range and can't do anything meaningful outside that range
this is why it goes spazzo and is all over the place. the stock ecu uses this sensor as a "guide" only to save fuel and trim the inj during cruise (ie plodding along at 100km/h)
a wideband 02 sensor is a fast and wide sensor and can sweep all the way through quickly and show meaningful values
so to get your guage showing anything useful you need a wideband 02 sensor. the sensor itself is about $150 and is of no use, other than to tune your car with a standalone ECU and show true AF/R on a AF/R guage. ie you wont get any benefit if you have stock ECU
agree with EMTS
or better yet to save you $$ and time come to the next sau vic meeting
find a local member near you and get them to come and check out cars
ie check out this car with me and offer beer or $ or spirits etc
most guys would give you a honest check of a car for the main skyline shit that breaks etc
before going into solution mode how much do you want to spend?
5k
10k
15k
20k
25k
30k
let us know your power target and budget then we can give suitable answers
ie if you only want to spend 5k were are really limited and youll be stuck with comprimises etc
yeah sorry didnt mean to open the great debate here, just after some info and ideas etc
i think so far we have covered a lot already which is great
but you are right in that the WRX here is probably 2004/2005 model and has lots more R&D in it vs my 1997 GTST
but it is interesting to compare 2.5L 4cyl vs 2.5L 6cyl
my skyline has tons more punch on throttle and responds instantly (aggressive tune)
the wrx is very progressive but feels to pull more as you go and from the word go
ie if i bog both cars down at 60km in 5th the wrx wins easily
yeah i get diff ratios, gear ratios etc all play a part as does gearbox, weight, wheel size etc
but im talking more from a basic comparison purposes, ie does bigger cylinder volume per CC typically mean more torque as a general rule
this might explain why RB30DET is so much more power because the cylinder volumer per CC increases from 416cc to 500cc
the simplistic comparison i can think of is the 4G63 vs RB20 (both 2 litre inlines, one is 4cyl, one is 6cyl)
i think the 4G63 is light years ahead of torque ?
forgetting AWD/RWD blah blah, just the basic engine
i found this one and it looks the same
http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/73714-gt3540-ak...roked-rb26.html
there is one subtle difference, just at the compressor outlet the one on GTR.co.uk has an extra marking on the housing
maybe its a load of crap, or maybe it has some substance behind it?
i did a comparison of some common cars we know of and plotted their volume per CC
feel free to suggest new additions, i need to know car, engine name, engine size, cylinders
Just an open discussion on torque and how it plays a part in the cars peformance.
I noticed after driving my friends bog stock WRX it seems to pull harder than my tuned GTST with basic mods
i thought how can this be and started to check the maths - maybe CC per cylinder plays a part?
all
looking for cars that are turbocharged, need to know their name, engine model, engine size in CC and # of cylinders
using it for a comparison chart
so far have evo, wrx, 200sx, GTST, GTR, vl turbo, ls1, ls2, xr6t
if we follow the CC per cylinder rule for most torque
the lowest is the R32 GTST and the highest is the LS1/LS2's
and the 200sx, WRX, EVO and XR6 are in the mid to high end
the R32 GTST, R33 GTST, GTR are in the lower end
give us some more engine specs / mods and ill chart them all up