Roy

Yeh, i dont think the Ferrari pace was all that bad the whole race. I mean, when it all went to cow manure for Massa how far was he behind Button? It was less then 20 seconds so a huge improvement, and i suspect they had trouble with KERS as well as he wasnt seeming to use it every lap. Which raises a question, does KERS affect fuel economy at all? As for all the politicing at the moment, i think Maz s going to have to swallow some pride and step down from the rubbish they are proposing. Teams are agaisnt it, fans are against it..... all rather silly really

Pics of underside? What does it weigh

I think you will find that he was the only guy in the mid to low 23s at the end of the race. Webber, Button and Rubens were all in the low to mid 25s. Poor Massa was way slower, losing 4 seconds per lap to Alonso if i recall. So i think the time Baron is talking about was to the leaders, not Massa. ..anyway, differences of opinion are always good. Lets you see things from a different perspective. Hell, sometimes i even come around to others way of thinking...lol but not this time. It may be the only time this year that Webber finished ahead of his team mate after qualifying behind him But i hope Vettel can go on to challege Button, be great for RBR. It will also be interesting to see if Webber can get a win this year. If this was Webber responding to the challenge that was Vettel then he was lucky, his response needs to be a better qualifying performance and demonstrating he is able to control a GP from the front and take a win, something Vettel has twice shown he is capable of

Button said they were discussing the strateegy on the radio, and his frist reaction was it was a risky call. But I would be amazed if these calls are purely down to the team. In fact i will say they are not. You hear it all the time with guys like Alonso telling the team how the car is going, what other drivers are doing in traffic and tyres with times. Its a team thing and the drivers are head of the team on a race day. Also Dezz, my point about Vettel having a shocker, he is really the only guy at the moment who could count himself a title challenger for Button. Rubens has the same car but wotn challenge Button, if RBR find a tad more pace with the diffuser it will be on for Vettel and the WDC. So the guy who has qualified in the top 3 at every round, the only other driver to have won a round, woudl have to say it was a shocker to start from P2 with more fuel then all those around you and finish 4th, almost 5th. It was a poor result for a guy that looked strong after Q3, his only real mistake was the fluffed start Webber had a poor qualifying run, and made his way up to P3 where he was on the bum of P2 at the checquered flag. I cant see how people are saying Vettel had the better race?!?!?!?! If you said Button or Heidfeld did then i would maybe agree...but anyway.

How did he do better though?

Webber was behind the same slower car for the first 17 laps. Was then behind the long first stint guys, so it wasnt an easy stategy to make work. And i dont think its fair to trivialise the laps behind the slower cars in China. It was horrible conditions and Webber spent 85% of the race in the spray of other cars. So not just the slower cars to contend with, but the visibility...then the need to puch harder to make time in diffcult conditions. ...and i will add Webber did shithouse behind a slower KERS equipped car in Bahrian, he couldnt do anything to PK Jr

LOL, yeh like i said, SOME strategy Come on. Swings and roundabouts. Look at Webber in China, he had the heavier fuel so it was expected that he would have stopped after Vettel. Instead they pull him in first, and Webber comes out behind all the slower longer stint cars. It hampered his race pace for the next 8-10 laps. Then he had to do a number on Button, so after all this extra work i think he finished, what 12 seconds behind Vettel. A race full fo spray. That weekend Vettel got put in clean air through pit strategy. And to say Vettel was quiker at the end of the race, by this point Webber was behind a slowing Rubens. Webber had been quicker before getting to 1 second behind Rubens, to that point he was as quick/quicker then Button by a a tenth or three He was P2, his team mate P5 and he finished 5 seconds behind his team mate. That would have to be a disappointing result. Though looking at the guy post race it was as though it was weeks ago. No wasted energy on the past from young Vettel

I have to seriously question that. How can you say a driver doesnt call the strategy? He is the one in the car telling them what tyres are doing, how the car feels. I have never heard that the pit call the strategy exclusively. I think the real issue is that Ferrari knew the RBR was quicker, sso even though heavier on the grid, they pitted when they saw that Vettel was coming in. Second round of stops Ferrari again make sure Vettel doesnt get any clear air laps... Ferrari actually got some strategy right on the weekend

He qulified P2 and was lucky Massa had a fuel refilling problem as he would have finished 5th. Its a poor result for him. Webber for once had the right strategy and made it work. Based on the pace of the RBR he had a good chance of a win today, but he didnt get the job done on the first lap. Button did it in Bahrain, Vettel couldnt do it yesterday. I just cant see how you can say a guy that lost places on the start, and was fortunate to finis 4th out raced somebody who started 5th and finished 3rd, only 1 second off 2nd and 13 seconds behind first. That is a good race result for the guy considering where he started and where he was relative to Button at the first round of pit stops

Selective summary? How much time did Webber make on Vettel/Massa? I agree, Vettel screwed the pooch with regards to strategy, and odds are he would have been on the poduim if not for Massa holding him up. But Vettel did a Webber off the line, for once Webber held position. Thats what hurt his race right there, his inability keep the 2nd row behind him,

Hey, i like Webber and try not to be one-eyed, but how can you say Vettel out raced Webber? Webber didnt lose positions off the start, Vettel went P2 to P4 in the first corner. Webber fought off Alonso and had a great second stint punching out better lap after better lap as the fuel laoded and tyres improved...yet Vettel just stared at the tail pipe of the Ferrari. The fact that KERS cars are bad under brakes and not as quick mid corner, Vettel really should have put more pressure on Massa. In my eyes Vettel had a shocker!

Dont get you?

Well if they rub then they are no good to you, drop them off at Micolour for me

I was watching the live timing and once clear of Massa Vettel was 1.8 to 2 seconds a lap quicker then Mark for the last 6 or so laps of the race. Thing is though, Webber was being held up by Rubens at this point. Before arriving on his bumper Webber was doing 23s with higher fuel load to catch Rubens, but then slipped into the 55w, the same lap times as Rubens as he followed. For the laps after his second stop he was in the 23s. Whilst Vettel was being held up by Massa, after the first round of pit stops Webber was behind the late stoppers, Hamilton etc and was not all that pacey, as soon as they pitted he was the quickest guy on the track just about every lap for about 16 lap. He made 32 seconds on Vettel an Massa in the second stint. It wasnt just strategy, he raced like a "flamin champion" to get his 3rd. Vettel meanwhile proved he is human and even though having a far quicker car could not clear Massa.

Should have short filled and thrown on the less desirable tyres and tried to jumo him in the pits

I want Buttons Mrs!

What size? Man, you are not getting the REs anymore, you need to swap the rims for my RAs

Webber chasing second...come on MARK!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU FARKING CHAMPION!

WEBBER IS FLYING..He may get out i front of Vettel

Fark me...i will seriously swap you my Tein RAs for them!

Fark, Webber gets dicked in the stops again, goes in on the bumper of Vettel/Massa comes out behind slower traffic. Who is making his calls from the pits?

Heidfeld was the pick of them and i gave his scalp to Webz

Not offended at all. He has always had pace and been the quickest guy in his team, so it was a matter of what if??? This year he has the car and a new team mate...so questions that have lingered for years are being answered.

Seems to be the case. I am happy if Vettel is the better driver, but i need Webz to at least be able ot beat him on his day, at the moment it doesnt look like Webber can get near him in qualifying so doesnt look to good. I thought he would lift and improve if his team mate was a gun, i think he has some work to do