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The OE GTR Brembos are pretty good calipers. Problem is when people ask the money they do for them. Its the whole supply and demand thing. There are some other attractive options when you are looking to pay $1600 odd for front calipers with used rotors and pads. And as far as OE Brembos the Nissan caliper is behind most others fitted to EVOs, STIs, Jags etc

Looks to be an interesting GP coming up, McLaren quick (can Heikki finally shine?) and Ferrari quick as always. But importantly other teams all have new range of aero and susp mods coming on line. And credit to Lewis where credit is due. If he is tapping Nicole Scherzinger then more power to him.

And a garage full of spares for GTR owners who expire at Superlap

Yeh, so looking forward to end of this year when i get back to doing some track days. Its been too long. As for driving your car, not without a strict drug regime to sharpen my thoughts and reflexes

Ahem, GTR owners pull harder than their cars Sorry, internet forum and all. My English goes to sh1t : .... Dont mind me, im just a pecker head with a small pecker driving a banged up shitter

Well come on. Lets hear your thinking. And lol rain! That will be an absolute hoot tearing around OP in the wet. Times will go out the window but would soon show who takes this all far too serious.

Really? Who said Nissan engineers were clever

LOl, soudns like you live near my brother Man, your posts are hard to follow Lets just look at your budget 280rwkws GTR. It weill need dump pipes, front pipe and exhaust. And i doubt you can actually get that much power out of the std turbos. No way you can get it reliably. But...its all BS, i love the idea of us going toe to toe at PI at an upcomign track day.....winner takes all. Loser has to put a demeaning sticker on their car. I have always liked the sticker , GTR owners pull harder then their cars!

LOL, Oran Park to Darling Harbour? That means staying in the city Scotchfinger and driving way way south weat to get to Oran Park, though with the M5 it is only a bit over an hour

Are you in Melbourne. SA would be just as good as i want to do a Mallala day

Yeh, thats why i am using S13 brakes now on my car

Yeh, i have fallen victim to the spare going flat within 1km Another thing about bnig brakes, is it leaves your space saver useless. If i get a flat on the front i need to swap a rear wheel onto the front and then space saver onto the rear. Keep thinking i should try and get an R34 GTR or Z33 space saver as they may clear the brakes better. In fact just carry a spare mag in the boot

You should never have sold the GTSt, But again, the GTR is a BETTER CAR. The thread starter was askign about performance. Completely std the GTR has it. With a few mods here and there i think the GTSt gets closer. With a bucket load of mods the GTR once again pulls away. LOL, pulls ... I love these threads, next we just need someone to throwdown and hit the track, when is the next track day

Is that too much neg camber ant too many street kms, meanign with the hard side wall you have eaten through the corner of the tyre? eek Yeh Nick, no problem. Let me know if you want to try the pads. Also, re the brake dust shields, in a perfect world they do control flow through the rotor, but control is not a good thing. if we throw the pads in i will show you what i mean Also, while throwing the pads in its easy to make a guide for air to rotors. Just be aware that along with air, that on wet roads this will also throw water and rubbish onto the rotor, maybe not a big deal but a consideration none the less

Why complain. I hear pimply faced teenagers get way more sex then me. So happy to be mistaken for one Maybe a pimply faced tart will jump in for a ride

We should all go and make JagR33 big cash offers on his car. GTR ot GTSt, it doesnt matter. Simple fact he has about the best Skyline on the road. They should all be like his

LOL, United fuels. I installed their ethanol loading/blending load out facitlity The same place stored ELF Indy fuel etc. So many ideas for my car and BOOST!

That is a pretty one dimensional view of a cars performance. A drag race from the lights is an olympic sport for handicapped people that should have been shot into the sheets. Its not a complete measure of a cars performance, but 0-100 or qtr mile does reveal the amazing traction of the GTR off the line. But is not a complete measure. If you want to to drive around being the king of the green light then fair enough, GTR will be the better bet. And for the record i have repeatedly said the GTSt is not as good as the GTR. My point has been that the GTSt is not that far behind, and its often ignorance on the part of some other car owners that means they make crazy statements. But we are all creatures of our own experiences, and we have all had different experiences. Thing is whether you accept or dismiss the experiences of other people

Yeh, but GTR will need suspension as well. Will need brake pads and fluid as well. New diff/s/transfer case. The only obvious thing the GTSt needs from a performance stand point is fmic and injectors. So not that dramatic a spend at all. From there its all far too variable as so many cars purchased will have varying mods

LOL, because i am bored and on call GTR, better engine both stock and potential wise. Assuming both engines are std, GTSt will need a turbo upgrade so thats 3K over a GTR GTR better brakes - Pad and fluid upgrade will do the job for the lighter GTSt. Not really that much different in the R32 brakes - Lets say $650, but GTR will really need the same mod and will need brake upgrade before a GTSt. GTR better suspension - Some shocks/springs, bushes and swaybars - $2500, will probably now handle better then a GTR unless it has the exact same mods so considering the age of the cars is pretty cash neutral as GTR will need it all as well. So then you only really have the bigger driveshafts (stronger) and alloy hubs...not a big difference really GTR better diff (2 way LSD vs viscous rubbish) - Fair call, $1300 supplied and installed. But again, so many GTRs are just as old and have shagged diffs. But wait, their transfer cases are shagged so its actuall more expensive to fix, and that assuming the front diff is healthy. LOL tried launching a GTR with a bit of lock on? Often kills front diffs and ruins sumps GTR better body (light alluminium panels, big flared guards, tough look) - Yeh GTSt suck here. Just live with it, no point flairing guards or anything GTR better wheels - True, so $1000 for suitable aftermarket wheels, but how many GTR owners upgrade wheels as well, is this something that really costs more on a GTSt? Lets say $1000 anyway. Its the tyres that make the difference and the GTSt with its smaller tyres will be cheaper then the GTR which with its weight will be equally as hard on tyres GTR better seats - Fair call, but R32 GTSt seats are great. Look crap, but very comfortable and supportive and adjustable lumbar means i was all too happy to give back a friends R33 GTR seat and go back to std for street, but yes i run a MOMO for the track so i can run a proper harness. So lets say upgrade to GTR seats, $800 GTR better interior trim - Ok, but does anyone really care? Crazy to retrim, so lets just say the GTR is a clear winner here GTR better intercooler - Yep, so throw another $1000 at GTSt GTR bigger injectors - Yep, throw the same GTR injectors in your GTSt $350. So looking at the above i cant see how can spend 10k on a GTSt, but most of the money is a age/wear thing as much as an upgrade so is applicable to the GTR as well. You say better seats, i say most 10-20 year old Skyliens trim is shot anyway so needs re-trim?!?!? I know lots of the used GTR seats have bent frames, a scary amount actually. Have not seen this problem with GTSt seats? Breaking the above down i can see where there is more money to be spent on the GTR at 270rwkws, in fact a GTR will need a turbo upgrade to be reliable at that power. So not saying GTST is better, hell no. Just pointing out that if you go into it, its not as straight forward as some make out. Trust me, LOL i look at R32 GTRs for a street car all the time. I wasnt one badly. But i keep coming back to practicality and on my tight ass budget the value isnt there to put me in a GTR , especialy like the original poster has said...performance...so doesnt include styling etc oh, and excuse the typos edit...and some things that i consider when looking at GTRs. They need an oil cooler before a GTSt, as they typically run higher oil temps. Combined with that is the fact that GTSt run the more durable ball bearign turbos. The GTR is plain bearing, and not even a performance 360 deg thrust bearing, but only 270deg. So oil quality and temp is far more critical. The other big thing is due to their sump design RB26 engines are far more likely to spin bottom end bearings. Labour to work on them is higher as Nissan packaged them so well from the factory, makes them that little bit more time consuming to work on. Being twin turbo, should you want more then 250rwkws you have to go two new turbos so is more expensive again. But power increase well worth the investment. But a GTSt will eat up a T3 flanged 3071 or 3076 onto the std manifold and is a cheaper turbo upgrade The RB26 also have more expensive exhausts, with two dump pipers and more complicated front pipes. Already mentioned the often lazy transfer cases. But how about the front cv joints that wear, not a problem on a GTSt. The GTR with more traction often needs a more expensive clutch, typically twin plate. You can live happily with a single, but wear will be higher. So thats just off the top of my head without really having to think that hard about things the GTR needs over a GTSt. Not saying its better or worse, but things that individuals have to consider when thinking about what it best for them

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but i have to disagree on the facts you are stating. There are plenty of RB20s making between 250-300rwkws all on completely std bottom ends, most with std cams and inlet manifolds as well. And guess what, std head as well. The gearbox is a fair call, but by no means is it a certainty. I have tracked my car since when i bought it 8yrs ago. My std RB20 gearbox has done 195,000kms, the last 45,000kms of it with between 230-260rwkws. Including drag runs, drift days, plenty of track days and motorkhanas and two Dutton Rallys. The secret is to use good fluid, those that i know use good fluid seem to have more success with getting them to live. But they are nowhere near as strong as other RB hearboxes, but behind an RB20 which are not that strong torque wise then they are often fine. And knowing what i know now i could build a quicker and more powerful car then mine for 10k tuned. That includes doing the bolt on work myself, but not diff and clutch because for its pretty cheap to get others to install and head fark at home without proper tools. So not saying the GTSt is better. Just giving real life feedback...and people that have seen me at the track would not accuse me of taking it easy, it sees plenty of revs and limiter and boost

What ECU are you running? What engine are the injectors meant for, ie are you running an RB26 rail and injectors?

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Gt...det-t62674.html

YAY! So the R32 RB25DE uses what lifters? I have a complete RB26 head that i was going to strip down for its valves, springs and lifters. If i can confirm whether i use Tomei RB20, RB25 or RB26 solid lifters then i will just grab them and use them with the std valves and aftermarket springs. The RB26 valve is sodium filled for better cooling, any idea what the RB25DE valves are?

And you are right, but the thread title is " Gtr Vs Gtst Huge Difference In Performance?, Is the GTR that much better than the GTST? " So my answer is depends on the two particular examples you want to compare. The GTR is better, but GTSt isnt exactly a flawed car and has its own merits which means its often the mods each car has that speaks volumes. But most of the time the GTR is the better bet if you can find the cash