thanks for all your advice guys i appreciate it. i just wish dyno's werent so costly to rent.... i'm doing my best to learn to tune on my own car. i'm tuning my wifes GTR next...however thats quite another kettle of fish the factory ECU she has was tuned by Torque performance, i'm going to tune up her powerfc the best i can and then dyno compare both ecu's....its my new hobby and i'm really enjoying it.