Next Gt-r Still A Maybe For Australia

[GT-R32]

I hope they don't bring the new GTR to Australia, because if they do they won't be eligible for import in years time when they get cheaper to buy in Japan.

Good point, if DOTARS continue allowing imports!

[SS8_Gohan]

not a chance in hell of having the GTR cleared in a year from release, i think we're better off getting them here. Doesn't matter what country the car is available in, a new car will always depreciate.

It's exactly the same, 1 year old GTR in japan, 1 year old GTR in Oz, both would have lost $ from the when they left the showroom.

Will get them quicker and same price if released here.

[700HP-GTR33]

Good point, if DOTARS continue allowing imports!

Hi there,

The facts...

GTR32 $110K Aust......I could not afford 1990

Infinity Q45 $120K Aust....I could not afford 1993

I hope it does not come to Australia.

GTR35 Stand alone item....Porsche 911 Turbo Killer...$200K plus ....I still cannot afford in 2009 .

This way in 2015 we will import them for $90K Australian from japan.

The lucky country In the US it will be priced around $70KUS=$100KAus...this sucks.

Cheers

Tekin

[GT-R32]

Hi there,

The facts...

GTR32 $110K Aust......I could not afford 1990

Infinity Q45 $120K Aust....I could not afford 1993

I hope it does not come to Australia.

GTR35 Stand alone item....Porsche 911 Turbo Killer...$200K plus ....I still cannot afford in 2009 .

This way in 2015 we will import them for $90K Australian from japan.

The lucky country In the US it will be priced around $70KUS=$100KAus...this sucks.

Cheers

Tekin

In the mean time I'll happily drive the models that are a generation older when it comes to GTRs. So I'll look forward to buying an R34 when the new one comes out.

[700HP-GTR33]

In the mean time I'll happily drive the models that are a generation older when it comes to GTRs. So I'll look forward to buying an R34 when the new one comes out.

That is correct....why try to be like the Jones's......if you get my point.

I am happy to drive a gtr33 which I purchased for $ 37K with 500HP at the wheels that cost me $15K on mods.

I will wait around until I see a gtr34 I can buy for $40K so I can do these mods. too aswell.

GTR35...only for the executives of multi-nationals who are looking for a tax dodge.

Not for the real people of this World, not in this decade anyway

Cheers

[SS8_Gohan]

gone from $240K to $200 now hey tekin? just stirrin...

anyways, we shall see what the showroom price will be. You reckon $240k, i reckon $150k - $170k, maybe nudging the $180K mark.

you hope to import one?? um... why? released 2007, or possibly 2008 here, that's 7-8 years of depreciation locally, how is that any different to importing one? You'll be able to drive the car here when checking out a 2nd hand one, have Nissan dealerships that would have been specialising in servicing them and getting parts for them, have aftermarket parts more readily available for it because the GTR would have been here from the VERY start, as oppose to waiting for a RAWS workshop to fork out massive $ to be the first one to get approval for them, then waiting for DOTARS to approve them, which could keep us waiting for an indefinite amount of time. Then, that workshop charging whatever the hell it wants for compliance to get them here, and most likely having to ditch certain things that don't match our pathetic ADR's..

In 7-8 years, there would already be modified GTR's, so you could get a modded one straight away and with ppl spending $150k+, the real enthusiasts wouldn't have spare a single cent modifying properly.

The benefits are friggen endless... it is better for us to have them brought here locally. Of course we aren't going to buy them brand spankin' new... did you buy your R33 GTR new?

[GT-R32]

I guess an example of an inflated price compared to similar imported cars is the FD RX7. Since only private imports are available and no others, prices for these cars are relatively high. Which is why there are so many private imports, paying $6k for a car and bringing it to Australia where it can be worth near $30k (not that much anymore) is quite appealing.

[700HP-GTR33]

We are all speculating...

If it's build like the R34GTR and needs all the mods. to get it to Porsche 911 turbo class, it will be a flop.

If they have done their home-work and have looked at suspension and track ability it will be a success.

Don't forget the gtr32 was ahead of its time and was a success because of this.When the gtr34 was built,

the porsche and other models had better handling and performance than it.

Daniel ,this is why i think it will be around that price,though no one knows for sure.

And really....sometime i really don't care because i still won't be able to afford it.

Cheers

Tekin

[GT-R32]

Good points 700hp-R33. Fingers crossed this one is a revolution in price/performance just as the R32 was. The R33/34 were evolutions of this and are legendary regardless, but history awards the R32 for standing out. Hopefully the new car can continue the legacy.

And I hope it's 4WD. And I hope it's TT 6 cylinder (inline is not realistic unfortunately). Main point, I hope it eats $350k Porches (not to mention other cars) for breakfast for half the price.

[SS8_Gohan]

i've spoke to ppl at porsche, who've done testing not only with the 997 Turbo and the new GTR... the GTR by their accounts, is MORE than up to the task... all i know is that in straight line speed it's just as quick. So we know the power is going to be very comparable. With lotus on board for the suspension, and awd drive... i'm very confident it's not only going to be a winner, but AT LEAST level par with the 997 turbo, for half the price.

If you got a R34 GTR Vspec here in say 2002, it was around $140k. 2002 996 Turbo was still $315k for the non-s version. No the R34 GTR Vspec was not up to the factory 996 Turbo, although $15-20K would take care of that and then some... so it's still great value.

Tekin, i hope Nissan has the sense to realise that there is going to be a psychological barrier for ppl buying a "Nissan" for $240k, i'd imagine $200k is that barrier. Even if it's $170k-$180K they're going to have to preach hard to tell ppl what crazy bang for buck they're getting.

Oh for sure, we're speculating. But i have a lot of confidence that Nissan can do the job.

So i'll just leave it as "997 Turbo competitor/beater for half the price" - that's my view

[700HP-GTR33]

Matt....totally agree.

Daniel....totally agree.

If the car is build out of the factory to beat the 911 porsche.....it will be a success

even at 240K.

I believe the Porsche following will be persuaded to buy this vehicle instead of the base model 911's

Don't forget...the fastest gtr's are owned by the Maserati Clubs.

I realiable source has told me.

Cheers

Tekin

[scathing]

I believe the Porsche following will be persuaded to buy this vehicle instead of the base model 911's

You think?

A Porsche is more than just its performance. Its a brand with a reputation and an aura that nothing short of an Italian sports car is going to surpass.

If people bought cars purely on their technical merits, no-one would buy an "executive sedan" (BMW 3 series, C Class Mercedes, etc). The Honda Accord Euro and Subaru Liberty GT far surpass those cars in build quality, performance, and creature comforts when you compare price points.

I think that the next GT-R will have enough problems convincing people to buy it over the M3, which will be far slower, but wearing a much more "desirable" badge. Against a Porsche, it'll only appeal to those that choose substance over style...and at this price brand cachet means more to most customers than performance.

Edited September 5, 2006 by scathing

[700HP-GTR33]

You think?

A Porsche is more than just its performance. Its a brand with a reputation and an aura that nothing short of an Italian sports car is going to surpass.

If people bought cars purely on their technical merits, no-one would buy an "executive sedan" (BMW 3 series, C Class Mercedes, etc). The Honda Accord Euro and Subaru Liberty GT far surpass those cars in build quality, performance, and creature comforts when you compare price points.

I think that the next GT-R will have enough problems convincing people to buy it over the M3, which will be far slower, but wearing a much more "desirable" badge. Against a Porsche, it'll only appeal to those that choose substance over style...and at this price brand cachet means more to most customers than performance.

Yes and No.

Yes because you have the stupid buyer who just wants a BMW because it is a BMW.

No because the intelligent buyer...once knowing a GTR is Better than a 911 turbo

will vote with his pockets.

As far as using the Accord,Impreza (Subaru name is concerned.)....these are popular names in Europe.

And given great respect because of their build characteristics and quality.

Subaru has a great salesrecord in Europe.

Europe have a quota for imports and slug Subaru but people still want them their.

It is the stupid buyers in Australia you are refering too.

In Germany Audi has been outselling BMW's for years as a better prestige car.

And Mercedes Benz. better pull up their socks too, they are loosing the sales race.

You see these brand are less popular in their own countries because they are selling at Ford and Holden

prices. In America it is also the same....BMW 318i Brand New $35,000US.

We are the stupid ones in Australia.....we all think what we pay is what you get....

This is really not the case when you look at it ,as I have just proven.

Cheers

Tekin

[sh@un]

I won't cost more than a 911 Carrera S. The magazines will run headlines like "New Nissan GT-R: 911 Turbo performance for (less than?) 911 S price! "...and so forth.

A fair few people DO buy cars based on their perfomance merits over their peers, and a lot would be happy to escape the 'me too' BMW/Merc/Porsche crowd. Look at the amount of 'track' 350Zs you see corporate types driving.

[eMsta]

such a nice car....would have to sell my house to get that and then move into a 1 bedroom single garage unit

[scathing]

It is the stupid buyers in Australia you are refering too.

If you have a look at the top of your browser window, its the stupid in Australia that the topic you're posting in is referring to. Context is a wonderful thing.

[700HP-GTR33]

If you have a look at the top of your browser window, its the stupid in Australia that the topic you're posting in is referring to. Context is a wonderful thing.

Your making me dizzy...

[Big Rizza]

Two scenarios I would be happy with in regards to the Nissan GTR launch.

1) Released in limited numbers. This way you can purchase a genuine Australian release version with full warranty and parts back up, OR you can buy a cheaper second hand imported version. This would be like the current situation with the Mitsubishi Evo 6-8. I have the full choice of importing or buying an Australian delivered model.

2) Released as a full volume import, but the release is delayed. That way you can purchase an older second hand import for cheap, or buy a newer example that is Australian delivered with full waranty and parts back up for an increased price. This would be not unlike the current situation with the Nissan S15 200sx - you can buy an imported 1999 model, or an Australian delivered 2000+ model.

Either scenario gives the best of both worlds. What I DON'T want to see is:

1) Full volume import from the word go from Nissan Australia. This would mean NO chance of cheap imports coming in, and therefore NO chance of mere mortals being able to afford one!

2) No official imports. This would not only mean no Nissan Australia parts back up, no factory warranties and steeper insurance premiums, but it would also mean it does not qualify for Australian motor vehicle awards like Motor Bang for your Buck, Motor Performance Car of the Year, Wheels Car of the Year, Wheels Excellence in Design Awards, etc.

[sh@un]

Either scenario gives the best of both worlds. What I DON'T want to see is:

1) Full volume import from the word go from Nissan Australia. This would mean NO chance of cheap imports coming in, and therefore NO chance of mere mortals being able to afford one! With few exceptions, cars rarely avoid deprectiating badly. You can get a '99 R34 GT-R for under 60K now- A price drop of around $100,000 in seven years.

[700HP-GTR33]

GTR35.

I am all for that. If we don't get it through Nissan, we'll get it out of Japan..eventually.

That's what i think..

What's the use of it coming out here if we can't afford it anyway.

Let's face it ,we are all motor enthausiasts, who love bang for bucks.

This is why the Skyline is so popular.

Not many on here can afford 200K for a car otherwise we would be on the Porsche Forums.

This opinion stands i believe for a majority.

Cheers

Tekin

Edited: due to crap grammer