Aftermarket Ecu For Rb20

[vanix]

Hey guys,

Just wondering. It's looking like i might have to get a new ECU for my car, old one has been sent away for checking as they said it could be causing the troubles i've had.

Anyway, my question is what would a good aftermarket ECU be for my R32 gtst, RB20 with mild mods, (cooler, boost controller etc). I've been looking at the Apexi Power FC, but don't seem to make then for RB20's as i've discovered. Was also looking at the Greddy E-manage, any recommendations on that or anything else please say.

Thanks

Edited July 4, 2006 by vanix

[Bo0oSt]

u can get the power fc for rb20's but u will have to look hard to find it...have a look on some of the traders and see if they can find u one.

Emanage isnt a stand alone its a piggy back and for mild mods a piggy back is ok. But if u were going to plan some big mods later on u may want a ecu that can do just about everything and in that case go for the power fc

But wht ecu u should get matters on what kind of mods u plan to run in the future..if its small mods atm the emanage will do the job

Edited July 4, 2006 by Bo0oSt

[DOUGMO]

wolf version 3d v4

[Cubes]

The RB20 powerfc's can be had easily..

Buy in australia and youw ill pay big $$.

Your best bet is to buy one from nengun.

http://www.nengun.com/

As I've recently discovered the AP Engineering RB20 Powerfc is nothing more than a slightly modified RB25 powerfc, it 'appears' the ap engineering use an early model rb25 pfc and modify it.

[blind_elk]

wolf version 3d v4

Plug'n'Play is available, too.

[barnoon]

Yeah expect to pay around $1500 for a Ap Engineering Power FC for your RB20DET,

I have one and highly reccomend it

[Cubes]

Its wise to grab the wolf 3d v4plus as the regular version only has 4 coil drivers, resulting in overheated coils.

I believe Steve from SST has informed wolf of this problem.

Another downside is the batch injection vs the powerfc's sequential.

Sequential injection is supposed to offer better economy, low and mid range power. If it really does... not sure probably not noticable.

The idea of sequential is to squirt as the valve is open, so fuel doesn't sit around and drop out of the air.

The benefit of running the injectors in batch mode is that you are able to squeeze a little more out of your injectors as it squirts twice instead of once like the sequential.

I believe the wolf3d's closed loop mode is a little more flexible.

So really it comes down to your tuner, what does he like.

[TTT]

If you look at this link, it seems the rb25 and rb20 pfc is not that different and you can do the work yourself.

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/in...howtopic=124463

rb25 pfc and hand controller can be had for $960 in group buy section.

[MerlinTheHapyPig]

rb20 ecu's are easy to remap, if you want a cheaper option. I'd rather remap than go emanage, but powerfc or wolf3dv4 are probably better options if you can afford it.

[Cubes]

Really depends on what your doing..

In my example a remap wasn't worth while, in the long run it would have cost me considerably more.

So far mines been tuned 3 times, the price received to remap the ecu was $600 for a complete remap, they wouldn't do just a full throttle type remap to get it drivable as I required, no point spending big $$ on a time consuming complete tune when a z32 was soon to be dropped in, then injectors, then a slightly larger turbo and now soon to be considerably larger turbo.

In this aspect the pfc definitely has it over the remap.

IF my pfc was stuffed I did briefly think about grabbing a stock ecu and having that dude on here do a chip for $150 odd, the problem here is I would miss my hand controller too much.

The PFC is a good thing, I used to have a slight idle issue on the stock ecu, suprisingly my idle is now perfect.

So in short, if you wish to leave your car the way it is, no furthur mods go the remap, if not definitely look at the pfc.

[boot_it]

Hey guys,

Just wondering. It's looking like i might have to get a new ECU for my car, old one has been sent away for checking as they said it could be causing the troubles i've had.

Anyway, my question is what would a good aftermarket ECU be for my R32 gtst, RB20 with mild mods, (cooler, boost controller etc). I've been looking at the Apexi Power FC, but don't seem to make then for RB20's as i've discovered. Was also looking at the Greddy E-manage, any recommendations on that or anything else please say.

Thanks

depending on your budget

mircotech

haltech

autronic

link

ems

wolf vs4

motec

[HRthirtyone]

i run a microtech lt12s which comes with plug n play style adaptor for noobs........

[Fixxxer]

So can anyone put a price on the wolf3d and the Microtech LT12s (plus plug and play adapter)

Fixxxer

[vanix]

Thanks for the replies guys.

Probably will go for the power FC as i will be doing things like turbo, injectors eventually.

Only trouble is if i get one through Nengun there will be a wait, i'm prolly gonna need one within a couple weeks at the most. Any ideas?

One other thing, the POwer FC doesn't come with software that will enable you to plug it into a laptop/notebook. I'm assuming some of the others do. Does this really matter? Can this all be done on the hand controller?

My budget is around 1500 max. I just want something that will run sweet and is relatively user friendly.

edit: Just reading other thread linked about the re-wiring. Looks like that will be the way to go.

Edited July 4, 2006 by vanix

[Cubes]

I don't think the microtech is a viable option for the street.

They don't run closed loop mode and are known for not returning the best fuel economy.

Stick with either the wolf3d v4plus or powerfc and you can't go wrong.

The powerfc doesn't come with the laptop software but in all honesty, its not really needed until you start doing motor swaps or really big turbo's.

From nengun the rb25 powerfc can be at your door in 10days after payment has cleared, payment clearing takes a day or two, the powerfc comes with a hand controller.

Have you priced the wolf3d v4plus or is the rb plugin a plus version standard, their web site isn't all that clear on this matter.

The wolf3d just for the ecu is from memory around $1400 odd

[Lukaz]

Go a wolf mate.

[HRthirtyone]

with the LT12s i was still getting over 350kms to a tank with big cams, 550cc inj, 2835 turbo, 16psi etc. etc.

Edited July 5, 2006 by HRthirtyone

[boot_it]

I don't think the microtech is a viable option for the street.

They don't run closed loop mode and are known for not returning the best fuel economy.

Stick with either the wolf3d v4plus or powerfc and you can't go wrong.

The powerfc doesn't come with the laptop software but in all honesty, its not really needed until you start doing motor swaps or really big turbo's.

From nengun the rb25 powerfc can be at your door in 10days after payment has cleared, payment clearing takes a day or two, the powerfc comes with a hand controller.

Have you priced the wolf3d v4plus or is the rb plugin a plus version standard, their web site isn't all that clear on this matter.

The wolf3d just for the ecu is from memory around $1400 odd

they have a wide band sensor but not for close loop yet but they say there developing stuff at the moment

haltech on the other hand they have close loop etc std on all there ecu,s

haltech also have plug in and play but i dont know if they have then for nissans yet

the down side to pfc sod all ppl can tune them (ie change parrameters ) unlke haltech wolf microtech etc

[Cubes]

A blind man could tune the PFC...

Unless your making more than 2-3x the power all tuning can be done via the hand controller, no laptop software is required.

Here in Adelaide there are 6 tuners that have or have access to the datalogit software should they be required to extend the map reference or tweak the airflow curve due to unstreetable rwd power levels.

Microtech have been saying they are developing a closed loop system for the last couple of years that I know of.

The PFC runs the car damn well, 6 injector outputs, 6 coil drivers, closed loop awesome interpolation between cells, cold starts, warm starts, idle and a/c idle all perfectly.

Running my rb30 prior to the tune was returning around 420-430km's per tank fo juice, after the tune it picked up around 50km's so damn close to 500km's per tank all on local 60km/h roads.

Show me an aftermarket ecu that is able to offer 6 inj. outputs, 6 coil drivers, at least 20x20 table with awesome interpolation, and closed loop mode WITH hand controller for 1k.

And the best thing.. Drop in and drive to the tuner, if your really tight ask him to throw it on the dyno for 1hr and do a wot tune only ($110 odd), the base map works well and will return reasonable fuel economy.

But once again, it really depends on what your tuners are comfortable with. If they deal with a lot of skylines they will know the powerfc like the back of their hand.

I am not so sure about other states but here in Adelaide we have an awesome selection of tuning work shops. From Willall Racing (I'm sure your familiar with Keir Wilson), Tilbrooks, Morpowa, Boostworxs, Graham West, RPM all of which are able to throw the laptop on the pfc.

No doubt its the same in the larger states.

[boot_it]

A blind man could tune the PFC...

Unless your making more than 2-3x the power all tuning can be done via the hand controller, no laptop software is required.

Here in Adelaide there are 6 tuners that have or have access to the datalogit software should they be required to extend the map reference or tweak the airflow curve due to unstreetable rwd power levels.

Microtech have been saying they are developing a closed loop system for the last couple of years that I know of.

The PFC runs the car damn well, 6 injector outputs, 6 coil drivers, closed loop awesome interpolation between cells, cold starts, warm starts, idle and a/c idle all perfectly.

Running my rb30 prior to the tune was returning around 420-430km's per tank fo juice, after the tune it picked up around 50km's so damn close to 500km's per tank all on local 60km/h roads.

Show me an aftermarket ecu that is able to offer 6 inj. outputs, 6 coil drivers, at least 20x20 table with awesome interpolation, and closed loop mode WITH hand controller for 1k.

And the best thing.. Drop in and drive to the tuner, if your really tight ask him to throw it on the dyno for 1hr and do a wot tune only ($110 odd), the base map works well and will return reasonable fuel economy.

But once again, it really depends on what your tuners are comfortable with. If they deal with a lot of skylines they will know the powerfc like the back of their hand.

I am not so sure about other states but here in Adelaide we have an awesome selection of tuning work shops. From Willall Racing (I'm sure your familiar with Keir Wilson), Tilbrooks, Morpowa, Boostworxs, Graham West, RPM all of which are able to throw the laptop on the pfc.

No doubt its the same in the larger states.

in qld we only have 1 that i know of

in not knockin pfc there value for money but when u do rb conversion in to silvias(which i do) the pfc is no good as every sensor has to be hooked up for the ecu to work propley with out goin to to limp mode rb20 r ok but rb25 forget it the cost to hook a 25 up right out wights the cost of getting a haltech etc

and a pfc brand new cost more than 1g retail with hand controller if a pfc can be had brand new for a ca18det for under 1g with hand controller ill take 50 plz