Advanced Driver Training Course - Sandown - Sat 19 Jan 2008

[nismo_GTST]

Had a really great day today. Learnt heaps and had alot of fun.

Big thanks to Kev, all the instructors and flaggies for making it an enjoyable day!

[(B1) MR_fanny]

3 thumbs up from me.

i wonder how many flies the instructors go through a day? they make em look soo nice.

[cosmokram3r]

hey kev sorry i couldnt make it, im getting my car back tomorrow with a new clutch installed but i definately want to make the next course. could you reply to the email i sent ya?

thanks

[ak_stylez]

damnit just saw this thread now! I would have loved this.

when is the next course?

[SS8_Gohan]

great day! Dispelled a few myths that i had about car control, that's for sure. And we diagnosed a brake problem! handy to have such knowledgeable car people taking the different sections

and kev, you have email

what vids chris??

[Rekin]

awesome event Kev.

Real good value for money! Was also great to meet so many people from different car clubs.

cheers

[Interloper]

awesome event Kev.

Real good value for money! Was also great to meet so many people from different car clubs.

cheers

i'll second that, was a good day and i've learnt a fair bit!

Was good to try a few of the evasive car control techniques in a controlled environment - who knows when they might come in useful

[SS8_Gohan]

oh yeah, completely forgot. I did my first hand brake turn!! woooooohoooo!! Traction control had nothing to say about the e-brake

yeah, my group wasn't the flashiest group around (in terms of cars) but it was actually a great mix. MR2, S2000, Type R, Rav 4, XR6 Turbo, V8 Soarer with air bag suspension, 88 celica with twin-turbo toyota engine. Rav 4 was awd and no abs, celica obviously had no abs. So it was cool to see how the cars handled the exact same situations.

Ie, the Type R (integra) just could not get it's ass out on the wet corner tail out exercise. Plant the foot and around it goes, not even the e-brake helped things, hahaha, safe car.

XR6 with tcs off, not quite the same result

[some_cs_student]

yeah, my group wasn't the flashiest group around (in terms of cars) but it was actually a great mix. MR2, S2000, Type R, Rav 4, XR6 Turbo, V8 Soarer with air bag suspension, 88 celica with twin-turbo toyota engine. Rav 4 was awd and no abs, celica obviously had no abs. So it was cool to see how the cars handled the exact same situations.

Ie, the Type R (integra) just could not get it's ass out on the wet corner tail out exercise. Plant the foot and around it goes, not even the e-brake helped things, hahaha, safe car.

XR6 with tcs off, not quite the same result

It was a great day, I learnt a lot about car control, I'm still having arguments with people who disagree with the "brake when you lose control" idea.

They still think its incorrect

It was great to finally meet some of the SAU people, I was in a group with a couple of skylines, Red S15 and an older style Ford Falcon.

My GTR didn't exactly have an issue with getting sideways on that corner

[Interloper]

My GTR didn't exactly have an issue with getting sideways on that corner

same here, despite the awd, the GTS4 had instant oversteer on demand

[kevwrx]

It was a great day, I learnt a lot about car control, I'm still having arguments with people who disagree with the "brake when you lose control" idea.

They still think its incorrect

I just did my sums, between myself and the instructors that were working yesterday, we have a total of 103 years of advanced car control training !

Can your friends please let us know what you should do when you lose control of a car other than hit the brakes !!

Often people need to see it to believe it.

[SS8_Gohan]

i thought braking would make it worse, but nothing helped to prove myself wrong more than just going out there, 50km/hr in second, turn in, slam the throttle, back end steps out big time and then hit the brakes. Wasn't expecting the car to straighten up like it did! I'm a believer, that's for sure.

Even if you come off the throttle too quickly, you can't even steer out of it, car's too unsettled.

Brake for me in an emergency slide.... if i want to HOLD the slide, well, that's a different story

'some_cs_student' did you try stepping it out and slamming the brakes? (i know you were referring to other people in your group as opposed to yourself specifically)

[some_cs_student]

'some_cs_student' did you try stepping it out and slamming the brakes? (i know you were referring to other people in your group as opposed to yourself specifically)

Hey, sure did.

Stepping it out and slamming the brakes worked surprisingly well. Thats not normally my first reaction, especially in my non-abs daily driver but I will definitely try to find the threshold point soon, at the start I was braking too soft in my ABS car.

I tried correction twice without brakes and once I was successful, next time I spun out and nearly ended off the track .

Quoting Kevin:

Can your friends please let us know what you should do when you lose control of a car other than hit the brakes !!

Often people need to see it to believe it.

Well, in an oil spill my friends still think not hitting the brakes too hard as you will lose control is the best way to go.

Whats your opinion on that? I assume ABS cars would be fine, it would just take longer to stop, non-ABS you would need to find the threshold.

Of course they have the usual ideas, try correcting it and brake gently not hard

With loss of control I've been advising that braking is the best solution after been enlightened by the course . I think people need to attend the course to believe it.

Gareth

[Rekin]

the wet corner was interesting, the one where you had to accelerate on the turn.

3 out of the 4 attempts i had, my r32 gtst(rear wheel drive), under steered and went straight instead of the back stepping out...

Frightened me a bit because on my first attempt the back did step out, and on the second/3rd/4th it under steered me straight into the rumple strips lol

I think the instructor put it down to the increased rainfall during the 2nd/3rd/4th run causing the front tyres to lose more traction than the rears?

[DogKnight]

I should have done this course before I hit a fire hydrant...

And that time I did hit the brakes, however once you hit grass, not much traction.

[khunjeng]

here are some vids some1 took for me on their phone...

heheh thanks for those...not sure who you were but your an SAU member..

[Swink33]

Yo! , yeah that was me who took the vids for you. Got a couple more that I will post up later when I have the time.

Was a great day, had heaps of fun and got to put faces to some of the many of the usernames.

Big thanks to Kev and all the other organisers. Will definately be attending similar events in the future.

[khunjeng]

Yo! , yeah that was me who took the vids for you. Got a couple more that I will post up later when I have the time.

Was a great day, had heaps of fun and got to put faces to some of the many of the usernames.

Big thanks to Kev and all the other organisers. Will definately be attending similar events in the future.

heheh cheers steve.

[Interloper]

Was a great day, had heaps of fun and got to put faces to some of the many of the usernames.

lol, good thing you posted on here - all i could remember of your username was the 'wink'

[Swink33]

Okay people, here are some videos I have loaded up on youtube. They aren't that great but will give those who didn't go an idead of what was being done on a few of the stations. Unfortunately the videos are only of Chris, black R33 coupe, grey R32 coupe and an extra hot M5 (sorry guys forgot your names)

Did nobody else take any photos or videos? Please post em up if you have them especially any of that red JDM S15 (such a hot car)

Chris, you are lucky I didn't get footage of your last run on the truck swerve where you thought you came in too quick