Tsukuba Race Prep (all Finished, Some Vids & Pics ) !

[Swiper the Fox]

Street car must run full front interior i.e. carpets, hoodlining, sunvisors, door trims, matching front seats, all factory controls (headlights, indicators, wipers, power windows etc) but B pillar rearward is free (back seat, boot trims, spare tyre can be removed) this is the way ANDRA run their street class and its the way to go.

[Roy]

I like what Paul has posted. Though matching seats? Again, if i want to run a race seat for safety (i am paranoid becasuse i have sustained serious spinal injuries in the past and have titanium in my back...hence my paranoia and my desire to run a race seat, half cage with proper mounts for harness)

Also, all this talk of air con? I dont get it. What if the car doesnt have air con, or in my case the compressor died and i have never replaced it? To me ripping that sort of stuff out should be free, because its free and owners choice. Saying you cant afford the best tyres then bad luck? If you cherish your air con so much then wear the 15kg deficit

As long as the car has all the interior trim as per Pauls post, are you going to outlaw a person because they dont have a 4 speaker stereo system? Stereo, air con etc should be free to remove provided the cavity left in the dash is made good. My stereo is only working because Tomg fixed it as i dont even listen to it

LOL...i can see the validity of so many points. It will be interesting to see the final rulings...dont envy the people who will be penning the regs

[32R]

Well done Mark and Russ:D

On the street car class

Wouldn't be easier to set a weight limit?

Maybe no less than 50kg under std car weight...

[Snowman]

I like what Paul has posted. Though matching seats? Again, if i want to run a race seat for safety (i am paranoid becasuse i have sustained serious spinal injuries in the past and have titanium in my back...hence my paranoia and my desire to run a race seat, half cage with proper mounts for harness)

I agree with Brisby on this one. I know I run a half cage, race seats and a harness and do so soley for safety reasons. There is no performance benifits at all. I really don't see why safety measures make a car a race car. Otherwise I still have all my interior, radio's, etc - hell I even have a fully working dvd player and screen in my car (I bet I'm the only Dutton winner that can claim that! LOL)

[giant]

F**k the passenger seat!! I want to be in the drivers seat... without him sabbotaging the boost either...lol

your a classic!!

looking forward to seeing you race some more

[giant]

lots of valid points here ! it's good to hear!!

one thing i want to try and do is get some of the fastest track jdm cars in the country in one place where we can all drool over them and go racing!!

that is the bottom line and make it an event to remember and one that we all want to come back to! hopefully it can be pulled off.

[BBGTR]

one thing i want to try and do is get some of the fastest track jdm cars in the country in one place where we can all drool over them and go racing!!

that is the bottom line and make it an event to remember and one that we all want to come back to! hopefully it can be pulled off.

Word.......

I'm definitely there on this one.

[Roy]

Yeh, at the end of the day i already know i own the fastest silver 2L R32 GTSt with a dent in the rear right quarter runnng WEDS and nismo gear nob in the world. So nothing left to prove in other classes...so i will just get out there and see if i cna ham it up and have some fun

[Beer Baron]

Also would like to see a powder puffs class if possible (for the ladies)

I think fatz, roy and i could be very competetive in that class.

[9krpm]

This is a great idea Russ. I am keen

How do the Japs classify the cars in Tsukuba Russ?

I think we should keep it to bare basic and remove as many restrictions as possible otherwise it becomes too boring. There are aldready too many restrictions in other forms of racing in Australia. I recommend street class and open class. Street class should retain the dash, trims, AC, CD players and can use any tyres beside the slick. Open class is unrestricted. Fastest car in the class win. Easy and simple. If people are really keen on street tyres, then may be you could open another class eg non semislick/slick tyres class.

[giant]

i can sum up how many with restrictions there will be with one picture!!

anything up to this accepted!! this car was just amazing, full sequential box and flat shifting sounded like an earth quake on gear changes!!

Edited December 11, 2007 by giant

[swanny180]

Some interesting points being thrown around...

I think the biggest dillema will come from what determines a 'street' car.

Introducing an R compound control tyre or saying only R compound tyres are elegible is pretty stupid to put it bluntly.

The whole *point* of a street class is to try and literally emulate the capabilities of the cars on the street with the performance of the cars on the track.

If you are super serious about winning then yes you should use R compound tyres. You also should probably be in an unlimited class because using the theory that you should have dedicated tyres, you should probably also have a dedicated car for the event.

The idea of a street class is that the competitors run in as similar a guise as they would on the street as practicable.

Realistically most people wouldnt drive a car with no trim/interior panels/a fixed back race seat/a harness/a cage/no stereo/no aircon as their street car on a regular basis.

I think it is definitely valid in saying that safety is a vitally important concern when running an event like this proposed one, and should be taken seriously when determining classes and regs for sure.

But take a look at your typical track day. Almost all the street car participants *dont* have rollcages, *dont* run serious R compound rubber, *dont* have totally stripped out interiors (perhaps have taken out rear seat/spare tyres/jack/tools). Of course there will be a few who do, but typically most participants are normal, lightly to moderately modified street cars running very close to street trim.

And safety wise from what I have seen, it really doesnt seem to function too badly this way.

By defenition the most competetive entrants in an event like this (who will obviously be the ones hitting the highest speeds), will be typically running in the top unlimited class with no restrictions on rollcages or race seats or other safety equipment...

[Downforce]

I also agree with 9krpm's line of thought by keeping it simple. I also think the event should be run similar to the rev speed time attack style. ie. Run what you bring. Any tyres are accepted except for full slicks. This means if entrants want to run and be competitive they would need to run R compound semi slick tyres.. sorts out the serious competitors. If someone has a fast street car, then by all means enter it! But don't have a sook about someone who's spent more money on modifications. It shouldn't be mandatory to run R compound tyres, but if you want to be fast then you would want to be. This also avoids dispute over street car/race car - it's not relevant. It gets too technical to differentiate between the two. I wouldn't want to watch an event with street cars having a crack.. purely because it's not that type of event. It should be for the fastest cars to battle it out in an "open" class. If some competitors say it's not fair because they can't afford proper tyres, then bad luck!! This isn't some sunday cruise event. There will also be differences in power to weight due to different model cars, chassis construction, suspension setup, weight reduction, etc. so how difficult would it be to regulate that? The drivetrain type should be noted in the results, such as RWD, 4WD, FWD. It should be for any car, in whatever trim people choose.. I say all mods should be free, with the exception of full slicks so how do you like them apples?

Edit: if this event was to ever happen, I wonder what the autosalon circuit battle organisers would think. hehe

[Swiper the Fox]

I like what Paul has posted. Though matching seats? Again, if i want to run a race seat for safety (i am paranoid becasuse i have sustained serious spinal injuries in the past and have titanium in my back...hence my paranoia and my desire to run a race seat, half cage with proper mounts for harness)

With the seats you can run a fixed bucket...but...the passenger seat must be the same or similar...or the OEM seat. No lightweight alloy Kirkey style seats for driver or passenger, they must be uphostered.

I run a Bride fixed back Zeta III for driver and run a Bride Brix II recliner for passenger.

A car does not need a stereo to obtain a blue slip for rego so its free...the same goes for Air con.

[maccattack]

I also agree with 9krpm's line of thought by keeping it simple. I also think the event should be run similar to the rev speed time attack style. ie. Run what you bring.

I'd have to agree with this one. The object of the exercise is a time attack - fastest car around a designated track.

In order for this to be a draw card event (as Russ said earlier) you want the fastest cars in the country running a circuit for everyone to see.

This thread seems to have taken the direction of "this sounds like a good event - lets see how I can fit in".

Unfortunately, for a top level time attack - not a lot of us have the car or the money or the driving ability to compete.

Amending the rules so we can compete will only diminish the draw of the event.

A lot of what has been discussed is probably relevant to a sub event - but does it really apply to a national JDM time attack??

Something to think about

[Snowman]

Edit: if this event was to ever happen, I wonder what the autosalon circuit battle organisers would think. hehe

Who cares! I say this politely as they had a great chance to do this right already. Now I've been invited to attend every one of these events however with the exception of the 1st one (which I attended) I have since been given a whole 3 days notice to attend a mid-week event interstate. Consequently they aren't running a serious event - they are more running an event for NSW guys who can afford to take a day off during the week at short notice.

I've had emails and emails with originally Charles Kha and then Mark Pakula from Autosalon explaining to them that I could arrange some Vic cars to their event given some notice but every time they give me less than a week. It's stupid. So I look forwards to the possibility of someone doing it right.

[Downforce]

Who cares! I say this politely as they had a great chance to do this right already. Now I've been invited to attend every one of these events however with the exception of the 1st one (which I attended) I have since been given a whole 3 days notice to attend a mid-week event interstate. Consequently they aren't running a serious event - they are more running an event for NSW guys who can afford to take a day off during the week at short notice.

I've had emails and emails with originally Charles Kha and then Mark Pakula from Autosalon explaining to them that I could arrange some Vic cars to their event given some notice but every time they give me less than a week. It's stupid. So I look forwards to the possibility of someone doing it right.

I know mate, those are my thoughts exactly - they've had their chance to run such an event properly and failed. I already knew your feelings about the running of those events, and lack of organisation by them, which is why I posted that.

If this event takes off it will be more of a "this is how it's done" wakeup call to them. I look forward to this event happening.

[djr81]

For a model of how to run a sprint event (ok, time attack for the 16 year olds...) have a look at the regulations on the cover page (down a bit) here:

http://www.speedeventseries.com/

Also if you look at the photos & the class structure (in the points score) you will see just how many classes there are.

From what I can tell talking to people who do turn up to watch it is for one of three reasons:

1. They know someone driving.

2. They are interested in a particular car eg they have an Evo & want to see how they are modded for circuit work.

3. They come to see the outright cars.

No one really turns up to see the struggle street competitors.

Anyway if you want to emulate the Japanese time attack thing, broadly I would expect two basic classes (with a number of sub classes):

1. Outright. Go nuts, strip the car, fill it full of roll cage, big hp motor anything you can think of basically, but run it on R compounds. This would be aimed at workshop entries or the very serious privateer.

2. Street car. Basically aimed at the sort of cars seen on this forum. A road car (licensed) with full interior, maybe a half cage but basically something you can drive to work come the Monday morning. Again tyres would be R compounds or if you wanted road tyres - but I wouldn't force people to run roadies because alot of these cars would be already competing on R compounds in sprints/hill climbs etc anyway.

Anything safety related eg better seats, cages, harnesses should be encouraged & mechanisms found to help encourage them.

[Snowman]

- although my concern here in Oz is exactly how many "Open" Class cars are we going to get if it is just JDM cars. Athough it probably only needs half a dozen of them to be interesting and I can think of 3 "Open" class cars (and I'm putting gaints car into street class currently)

[phunky_monkey]

I agree with DJR's definition though, I'd have giants car in open. I'd have yours in street, mine in open (though it's a major disadvantage to me!) etc