Gym And Supplement Discussion

[TTT]

FIGJAM - no use asking if your squat is good if you are talking for reps.

how much do you weigh?

Ghosty has squated 120 for 20 reps weighing like 68 or something back 3 years ago.

anyway, there is ALWAYS going to be someone better.

I just watched a 18 year old asian kid weighing 85kg squat 256kg with no belt or wraps or suit.

[NickR33]

1149.5 for me.

but this is silly.

talking in LBS is like claiming hp at the engine after getting a dyno sheet which shows kw at the wheels just to make it look bigger :lol:

lol but at least when quoting power figures you have to post a dyno sheet... not many actually back up their 1rm claims on the net

St Kilda PCYC have a powerlifter working the gym now who is teaching correct form... I have noticed more guys deadlifting and squatting since he's been there which is good

PL just like the Oly lifters, in the heavier weight classes the guys carry quite a bit of fat but that doesn't mean they aren't jacked underneath it all... I know when trying to diet I can't lift the same

Strongmen seem to be somewhere between PL and BB in terms of leanness... I guess due to the fact some of their competition requires movement (I'll stop short of calling it running lol)

[TTT]

while on a rampage...

1rm calculators are also stupid.

if your car weighs 1250kg and has 300rwkw, calculations would say it should run a xx.xx @ yyy mph

doesn't mean that you will... especially if it's a supra lol

true test of 1rm is to do one.

safely.

if you don't have a spotter, do it in a power cage with the safety bars set up right so you can dump the bar if you get stuck in a squat or bench.

deadlift is a no brainer.. it's already on the ground.. it either lifts or doesn't.

[TTT]

lol but at least when quoting power figures you have to post a dyno sheet... not many actually back up their 1rm claims on the net

St Kilda PCYC have a powerlifter working the gym now who is teaching correct form... I have noticed more guys deadlifting and squatting since he's been there which is good

PL just like the Oly lifters, in the heavier weight classes the guys carry quite a bit of fat but that doesn't mean they aren't jacked underneath it all... I know when trying to diet I can't lift the same

Strongmen seem to be somewhere between PL and BB in terms of leanness... I guess due to the fact some of their competition requires movement (I'll stop short of calling it running lol)

yeah PL requires no real movement apart from up and down, be it your arms or torso.

most weight divisions go up in 8-10kg jumps up to 110kg.

Then 110 - 125

125 - 140

then 140+

[NickR33]

anyway, there is ALWAYS going to be someone better.

I just watched a 18 year old asian kid weighing 85kg squat 256kg with no belt or wraps or suit.

fck me!

love it when your lifting thinking hell yeah I'm the BAWS and some massive unit sets up next to you and starts warming up with your max lol

[Dani Boi]

On lean gains he reckons for an intermediate lifter

1.6 x bw - squat

1.2 x bw - bench

2 x bw - deadlift

[TTT]

2 plate bench

3 plate squat

4 plate dead

= novice

that's per side

plate = 20kg

that's a good starting goal for anyone

Edited June 1, 2012 by TTT

[God_speed]

On lean gains he reckons for an intermediate lifter

1.6 x bw - squat

1.2 x bw - bench

2 x bw - deadlift

2 plate bench

3 plate squat

4 plate dead

= novice

that's per side

plate = 20kg

that's a good starting goal for anyone

Both of these work out about right for me. Haven't been doing the deadlift for as long as the others. Sitting at a desk all day has made my hip flexors and hamstrings very tight as well, which doesn't help with DLing!

And I agree about 1RM calculators; they are not bad as a guide only; that's why I initially queried the notion of a "1,000 club" and if it was based on calculated 1RM. Would love to give some 1RMs a shot but the numbers would just end up tucked away as a reference point to give me perspective after that; they wouldn't have much relevance to my day to day lifting.

For the guys (often on BB.com etc) that quote the 1RMs and the like in their signatures and go on about their claims in the forums, unless those figures were achieved in a comp I think it tells a lot about their mindset towards training. For the rest of us I think that those benchmarks are "nice to haves" but what is more important is competing with ourselves, breaking PBs, looking/feeling good to ourselves and significant others. The opinions or, "awe" even, of fellow forum members is unimportant.

Edited June 1, 2012 by God_speed

[TTT]

A lot of strength training programs are designed around percentages of your 1rm, to build your tollerences and strengths up to a new 1rm in x amount of weeks.

but if you are lifting to just lift, then it doesn't really matter all that much.

but just like you do a mod then tune and get a new dyno figure or run the 1/4 for a new time after money and time spent on the car, it's good to know that your time in the gym and kitchen has made a difference.

and no better way then to see if you can do something you couldn't before.

[-FIGJAM-]

sitting around 70kg mark, havent weighed myself for awhile.

I could have done more then 100kg, but my knees felt iffy at times. Might just be a confidence thing but yeah.

Im on more of a strength workout now. 4 days a week

Last night i did:

Deadlifts(no back brace but straps) didnt feel as confident:

100kg x 6

100kg x 6

100kg x 6

I have done more in the past, but thats with a brace and straps. Definatley feel that i was lacking in confidence this week with deads.

Leg Press:

210kg x 8

220kg x 8

240kg x 8

did sitting Calf:

130kg x 10

130kg x 10

130kg x 10

Lower body strength is coming along, upper is an entirely different story.

[TM7GTR]

I'm with birds in the appearance thing...

Your looks get bitches, not how much you can lift lol <--- that oddly gets male attention

[TTT]

back brace?

do you mean a belt?

powerlifting is a sport. not a parade.

people do powerlifting because they enjoy the sport/competition.

if you're getting in to powerlifting to pick up chicks, you're doing it wrong

Edited June 1, 2012 by TTT

[Birds]

1149.5 for me.

but this is silly.

talking in LBS is like claiming hp at the engine after getting a dyno sheet which shows kw at the wheels just to make it look bigger :lol:

Birds.

There are 2 gyms I know of in Vic that you might want to just stroll in to and have a session.

get them to give you advice on form and tips for best leverages etc.

and try some 1rms under watchful eyes and spotters.

who knows, you might get addicted.

Not all powerlifters and round bellied, bearded hairy men.

Member on here (not sure if still active) Stolen_S15 is a competetive powerlifter.

Has recently been dieting.

just got to 7.5% @ 98kg and still squats over 220, benches close to 150 and deadlifts over 250 I believe.

I dare you to go give it a try.

Melbourne Uni

or

PTC at Frankston

The reason it's in pounds is because I found it on the BB forums, which are predominantly American. You can call it a 450 club if that floats your boat haha. Appreciate the recommendations, you might find me there one day if my goals change, but for now I have no interest in powerlifting. That doesn't mean I'm not curious about how I stack up against people of similar weight and height, despite different goals, so I may give the 1RMs a go at my local.

As you said, I am more about appearance than numbers, I think there is such a thing as looking too big and I'm content with the female attention I get, which is the reason I got into the gym. A lot of gym junkies surpass their original goals or reasons for starting up, developing obsessions ("bigger/stronger is always better" etc.) or distorted views of what looks good to most people ("the girls love my 5'10 120kg frame" etc.). I'm also heavy into running, stamina/endurance and agile movement sports like tennis...so as impressive as those lifts are, it would be a disservice for me to weigh anything like 98kg. Do you know how tall Stolen_S15 is at that weight?

[TM7GTR]

Do you have any goals you wanna reach then Birds? (size/weight/lifting figures)

You seem to be pretty content with your figure.

[Birds]

it's good to know that your time in the gym and kitchen has made a difference.

and no better way then to see if you can do something you couldn't before.

I think where God_speed and I differ from the norm for this (and step in if I'm speaking incorrectly on behalf of you, Matt), is that a working set of 10 reps at a given weight is more a telltale of strength improvement for me than a 1RM. I like tests of stamina/endurance.

[NickR33]

nobody is saying you need to train 1RM... in fact if your not a training to be a PL I wouldn't go lower than about 5 reps... I like to go as low as 3 sometimes but rarely lower than that and only with the big compound movements

however it is useful to test your 1RM every now and then... many programs are devised in a way where they will talk about 80% or whatever of your 1RM for a particular exercise/set so it helps to know (not guess using calculators) exactly what your 1RM is... especially as I've seen programs that get very specific, 77% 83% or whatever

[Birds]

Do you have any goals you wanna reach then Birds? (size/weight/lifting figures)

You seem to be pretty content with your figure.

No current goals for size/weight/lifting figures. I've been nonchalant about gains at the gym for the past few years, just focused on maintaining what I have strength-wise and yeah, I'm still pretty content with where I am. Obviously not going to complain about increases when they happen, as long as I don't get too big/heavy.

Aesthetically, I would like bigger legs to match the upperbody. I started deads and squats <6 months ago, so they've got some catching up to do, but progressing along nicely. I wouldn't mind competing in a fitness model category, where symmetry and pretty boy shit pays off. You actually lose points in these if your muscles are too big

[-FIGJAM-]

sorry TTT meant a belt, but it does offer some support to my lower back, which gives me grief now and then.

i like to train in strength now and then because for me it breaks the routine up and give different goals to aim for. Also makes me feel like a big man

Edited June 1, 2012 by -FIGJAM-

[Birds]

I'm with birds in the appearance thing...

Your looks get bitches, not how much you can lift lol <--- that oddly gets male attention

Hahaha, well I agree, but as TTT said, PLs aren't really in it for the girls. I got nothing against PLing, that's just not what I got into gym for. There will always be someone stronger than you and people do some extremely dedicated (and dicey) things to be the best, which turns me off. For me, crafting the body into something most desirable for the opposite sex, is where it's at

[God_speed]

I think where God_speed and I differ from the norm for this (and step in if I'm speaking incorrectly on behalf of you, Matt), is that a working set of 10 reps at a given weight is more a telltale of strength improvement for me than a 1RM. I like tests of stamina/endurance.

Yeah mate, basically. It just seems to me that one's working sets are going to be 6-10 reps generally. Maybe less than that on occasions where you want to go super heavy on a compound movement like Nick said. But generally 6-10. If your 1RM were to go up, then so should the weight you use for 6-10, so; if you've never done a 1RM but your weights are progressing at 6-10 reps then I'd be satisfied that my strength is increasing and so should my theoretical 1RM...

But I understand the importance of a 1RM figure in calculating weight that should be used for a working set in some plans, or as a benchmark.