Gym And Supplement Discussion

[-FIGJAM-]

I thought this covered off on that point.

"There is nothing wrong with Markos statement that those numbers = beginners, not only from a PL point of view but from a general strength point of view. If any man can turn up and pull 100kg deadlift in his first session then that must be considered roughly the starting point for most people, he'd know he's seen his fair share, how many of us have trained others to the degree that he has?"

It read differently to me. But ok.

Doesn't hurt to reiterate that Markos doesn't simply train power lifters (which I personally believed a while ago)

[No Crust Racing]

NP, can't always convey things as clearly as wanted online, but I'm willing to hug it out.

[-FIGJAM-]

all good, how is the tinge after your week off? noticed you were back into it.

[No Crust Racing]

Still twinging. Massage helped a little which implies it's locked up above or below the actual twinge. Been stretching and foam rolling everything in and around it to help. I can't complain too much though as I gym'd Friday. then did a fair bit on the car on the weekend, then started back light jogging on Monday morning then gym'd last night night and it kind of stays the same so we'll see how it goes.

Oddly there's no discomfort when actually squatting or DLing.

Edited August 6, 2013 by ActionDan

[rev210]

fark it, despite all logic telling me not to, I'll bite;

rev - before (the last time this came up) you said pre-workouts were useless and placebo's, I took that to mean 'all'. Now you are saying only non-banned ones don't work... slight change of tune.. I think I know why....

Before when asked how you go from 15-25 reps or whatever it was, you said to take creatine and was it L'Arginine(?) as they can help you push out a few extra reps (apologies if I am incorrect on the l'arginine, im sure it was something like that)... now its beer (granted your taking the piss).

Those ingredients are in most if not all pre-workouts both banned and not banned. How do they work in isolation but not in a pre-workout? Yes the pwo has other ingredients as well and not all good but they do have those ingredients. My point? they are not all placebo's and useless as you make out. Slight contradictions imo.

Just saying....

Missed the point. PWOs describe themselves as PWOs.

The supliments creatine and beta alanine aren't PWOs. They are dietary suppliments. They dont actually work just before a workout. Your body accumulates them over time.

They will potentially give you further muscle endurance if incorporated into diet. Different thing.

The pre workout that actually works is being focused on the lifting before you.lift.

There is something to learn in that space. People skip over it when Its described by athletes

Its worth understanding that there is training in that space.

Comfort training with mental crutches makes you weak and excuse driven.

Strong is strong. Its not made of weakness and the perfect blend of excuses and pretend Magic drinks

PWOs dont work. Your body does and your mind needs to believe that fact.

[L33SH]

I love your posts Rev.

[No Crust Racing]

I love your post Rev.

WHAT?! Does Birds know?

[L33SH]

WHAT?! Does Birds know?

I find Rev's posts and comments inspirational and his suggestions very helpful, it's nice.

[No Crust Racing]

Think you missed it, I dropped the s from "posts" when I quoted you and made a dick joke....

[L33SH]

Think you missed it, I dropped the s from "posts" when I quoted you and made a dick joke....

Oohhh, okay, yeah I don't really get jokes.

[No Crust Racing]

You date Birds, you have a great sense of humour.

[-FIGJAM-]

Oohhh, okay, yeah I don't really get jokes.

what happened to you? who did this?

[L33SH]

what happened to you? who did this?

See, I'm not sure if this is meant to be a joke

[No Crust Racing]

[Kenna802]

I been reading markos newsletters while I'm doing office work today think I going to get busted lol up to number 31. I think the problem is on the net there is many people telling us what to eat , what to lift etc yet most are wrong. As birds stated about the pt's If the person that's training you is wrong what hope do you have

[SRS13]

no problem rev thanks for clarifying.

[rev210]

No probs.

[Birds]

you said to take creatine and was it L'Arginine(?) as they can help you push out a few extra reps (apologies if I am incorrect on the l'arginine, im sure it was something like that)... now its beer (granted your taking the piss).

I see what you may or may not have meant to do there!

[markos]

PTC is 550sqm

The powerlifting section is around 170sqm

That means there is 380sqm for general use, primarily strength training

The reason I talk more about PL is because no one gives a f**k about some guy squatting 150kg or benching 125kg. Once upon a time we counted how many guys had pulled 200kg at PTC, before we ever competed at powerlifting, we stopped at 200 lifters. So how am I going to get excited about a 180kg deadlift?

Anyway, here are a few numbers from guys who will never, ever, train for powerlifting, let alone compete.

Ryan, a builder, 180kg squat, 130kg bench, 250kg deadlift.

Dave, a fireman, 180kg squat, 140kg bench, 220kg deadlift

Luke, a chippy, 140kg squat, 140kg bench, 220kg deadlift

Donny, pest controller, 160kg squat, 120kg bench, 200kg deadlift

Steve (Family Man Newsletter), 140kg squat, 120kg bench, 200kg deadlift

These guys have been training at PTC for quite some time, zero interest in powerlifting, just like 80% of my clients

So since the move I've had lots of new clients, only a handful in the PL section.

This is the norm for FIRST SESSION. Between 60-80kg squat, around 60kg bench and a 120kg deadlift. This is for reps, not singles. I should explain first session is incorrect, because we do technique checks on the first one only, its first training session if technique is okay.

[No Crust Racing]

That's really interesting to see Markos - the first session for reps stuff I mean.

Do you get many attendees coming in off the back of an injury looking to get better/rehab up so to speak?

I'm curious how you handle that sort of client if you get any? And also injured decent lifters, like Emad and his busted arm, what's the approach there?

Edited August 6, 2013 by ActionDan