Gym And Supplement Discussion

[-FIGJAM-]

why does he have a weird bench grip?

[markos]

Dan tore his pec pretty badly earlier in the year. He switched to reverse grip to take the load off his pec, and found out he's stronger with that grip.

His PB when he tore it was 167.5kg, done on the same session he tore his pec, I think he'll get 185kg next weekend

[bozodos]

I've watched enough PTC videos to know you know what you're talking about when it comes to strength training and getting real results. It's why I try and follow your method of training.

When you put it like that, I now understand why you say that we aren't going to get to that level training by ourselves in commercial pleasure spa gyms. Explains a lot actually about the difference of actually training there, rather than just seeing it as you teasing us with the unattainable for the sake of it.

[markos]

I do believe you get it now Bozo

You could go out into the street and kick a footy around for hours, and never be as good as the guys in the AFL, even Richmond players lol

So PTC isnt simply a gym, so much more

We have lifters train at PTC in Carrum Downs that live in Caroline Springs, Elwood, Fitzroy, Croyden, Templestowe.

Looks like a gun teen lifter is moving from Adelaide to Carrum Downs to simply train with us before the end of the year.

[Trozzle]

I think that sigh pretty much sums up "over training", don't you boz?

[rev210]

You have got it bozo

Im not 'training' at the moment . I am mucking around. I will be training when i get serious and go to a gym

Not what i do at the moment

All these factors are in context that i mention. Training. Not pissing around

Edited August 30, 2013 by rev210

[jangles]

because overdoing it = nogains = going backwards basically. It's hard without a coach to work out just how much is 'overdoing it' though.

Over doing it = undereating or sleeping

Edit: Markos already put the effort in, again.

[Trozzle]

Over doing it = undereating or sleeping

Exactly this. It's less "over training" and more "under resting" so to speak. Another reason I got such got results when I was unemployed lol, had all the time in the world to recover.

[rev210]

This is some mad pressing , snatch grip behind the head as well

[L33SH]

That exercise is how I injured myself

[rev210]

That exercise is how I injured myself

Standing press is a good movement , however it needs good technique like all good movements as it's a compound one. It's not hard to do but, you should understand it.

People get taught to do it wrong or not at all. The stabilisation strength of the upper back and shoulders is very important. If you are managing a challenging weight , then not doing things correctly can hurt your upper back/spine. Mostly people do the basics wrong. Not drawing in lots of air and stabilising the core (abs are tense but, pushed out). I. Also,pre-fatiguing the shoulder stabilsing muscles with things like volume bench press or other isolation shoulder movements beforehand is a fail.

Behind the head is not a beginners variation let alone snatch grip width.

[L33SH]

It was my first exercise of my program so I wasn't pre fatiguing with other volume work, but something went wrong when I started doing 25kg. I used to have alot of people ask me why I was doing behind the head.

[Birds]

I don't think it was this exercise that got you. You were using fine technique last I saw you do it. It could have aggravated a predisposition, certainly.

[L33SH]

I don't think it was this exercise that got you.

So my shoulder went twaannngg during the exercise and it wasnt this exercise that has left me screwed?

What was it then?

[Nee-san]

Can you two just f**k already

[rev210]

So my shoulder went twaannngg during the exercise and it wasnt this exercise that has left me screwed?

What was it then?

It would be the technique then Leesh. Were you also taking the bar off the ground with a 'clean' or did you take it out of a rack? Picking it up off the ground is good training but, you need to know how to do it right also.

I did test of a few 100kg military press sets today (I clean & press these) ,speaking with some reasonable past experience. I would not consider behind the neck press at any weight a part of my training if I was to seriously bother. It requires more scapular strength to stabilise if you do it right and stresses the rotator more, pretty much for no other reason than to be a hero.

Once you get better drop the behind the neck thing. You can get tips on Military press if you want to do it correctly, I think it's a good compund movement.

[L33SH]

It would be the technique then Leesh. Were you also taking the bar off the ground with a 'clean' or did you take it out of a rack? Picking it up off the ground is good training but, you need to know how to do it right also.

I did test of a few 100kg military press sets today (I clean & press these) ,speaking with some reasonable past experience. I would not consider behind the neck press at any weight a part of my training if I was to seriously bother. It requires more scapular strength to stabilise if you do it right and stresses the rotator more, pretty much for no other reason than to be a hero.

Once you get better drop the behind the neck thing. You can get tips on Military press if you want to do it correctly, I think it's a good compund movement.

clean and jerk to get it up behind my head.

[rev210]

Just use a squat rack when you get back into it. get the technique sorted on the standing press. It's pretty easy with practice and one less thing to worry about while getting it perfect.

[Birds]

So my shoulder went twaannngg during the exercise and it wasnt this exercise that has left me screwed?

What was it then?

ALike I said, you were likely predisposed...this exercise may have simply been the straw that broke the camel's back. It'd quite a strict movement; one of the reasons it is done behind neck, because there is little variance in the range of motion. As long as you're taught and execute it correctly, this makes it one of the safer shoulder exercises. But no amount of safety in a range of motion will save you if not everything is sitting right when you do it.

[L33SH]

Just use a squat rack when you get back into it. get the technique sorted on the standing press. It's pretty easy with practice and one less thing to worry about while getting it perfect.

So are you suggesting to use the squat rack and do it behind my head still?