Gym And Supplement Discussion

[TM7GTR]

Interesting looking through those figures for the main lifts.

Close friend of mine is about 90kg

BP 175kg (new PB tonight)

DL 220kg (last I heard before he screwed his back)

SQ ???

Would have to double check with him on his dead and squat figures, but the interesting thing in posting these results up is that he doesn't do any strength specific programs, nor has he ever done so.

In other words, he does bodybuilding-type training but still lifts big.

[Mitcho_7]

Some people are just genetically gifted with muscle insertions etc that allow them to be absolute animals in the gym no matter what. Exhibit A would be everyone that trains at Markos' gym... But they also train hard and make the most of their genetic predisposition.

[Birds]

That's a huge bench for that deadlift lol.

You can get strong without it being your goal or focus - it's just the byproduct of a) working hard at the gym with the right exercises, b) eating lots and c) resting sufficiently. People who aren't getting stronger tend to lack one or more of these (whether on purpose or unintentionally). And yes, as Mitch said, some people are just genetically set up to be strong...like the Maori guy who sits on the bench next to me and pushes out 140x10 without taking a breath. Bastard looks like he's been training for 3 months

The end goals of bodybuilders and lifters might differ, but the core methods for getting there are much the same. Plenty of bodybuilders lift big numbers...even training specifically for hypertrophy; you don't get that sort of mass without lifting big (insert Ronnie Coleman vids here). And your mate is still doing the big 3 that lifters focus on in their strength programs - no matter how you do these, you're going to wind up with some strength. Isolation/assistance exercises, popular with bodybuilders, can definitely help with the lifts too.

[Husky33]

Most of the bodybuilders that lift big numbers started out powerlifting i.e. ronnie coleman, johnnie jackson, franco columbo, even old arnold was weightlifting and powerlifting before he went into bodybuilding. And this is only a small handful

[Dani Boi]

Good lifts to weight ratio for 5 months.

edit: check this out

Edited October 26, 2012 by Dani Boi

[markos]

No offence to your mate, but a gym lift is MILES different to a comp bench.

I had a guy telling me who could bench 165kg at his gym. I invited Simon to PTC to show me. He missed 140kg.

He started training with us and eventualy benched 170kg

To give you an idea the 90kg WR open men bench with GPC is 170kg. At WPC its around 227.5kg by Greg Doucette

[Mitcho_7]

thats because of the epic pause they make you take with the bar on your chest in comp isnt it?

[GHOSTrun]

thats because of the epic pause they make you take with the bar on your chest in comp isnt it?

It's a combination of a few things, until you've competed you don't understand the different pressures placed on a lifter in comp compared with the casual-esqueness of lifting in training.

( ^ that, and some people just talk complete shit about what they can lift)

Edited October 27, 2012 by GHOSTrun

[dezz]

If he can bench 175kg he can bench 175kg. Why the need too put PTC and official power lifting comps above everyone/all else?

May be hard to believe, but some people do not want to be power lifters. (and I'm not just talking about weak people)

[GHOSTrun]

If he can bench 175kg he can bench 175kg. Why the need too put PTC and official power lifting comps above everyone/all else?

May be hard to believe, but some people do not want to be power lifters. (and I'm not just talking about weak people)

Gym lifts don't mean shit. Olympic Jnr lifter Pat Mendez snatched 207kg in training, his best snatch in official competition is ~170kg'ish. That's a HUGE difference.

Like I said in the post above, until you actually compete, you don't understand, and there's no point trying to argue the point because if you haven't competed you simply don't know.

[Mitcho_7]

Gym lifts don't mean shit. Olympic Jnr lifter Pat Mendez snatched 207kg in training, his best snatch in official competition is ~170kg'ish.

How can it drop 37kg ? If the bar is the same Etc what is the difference?

[dezz]

Gym lifts don't mean shit. Olympic Jnr lifter Pat Mendez snatched 207kg in training, his best snatch in official competition is ~170kg'ish. That's a HUGE difference.

Like I said in the post above, until you actually compete, you don't understand, and there's no point trying to argue the point because if you haven't competed you simply don't know.

No what you don't understand is he still bench pressed 175kg (assuming he did).

He didn't say he bench pressed 175kg to whatever federation standard you guys lift under, he just beched 175kg. I'd love to hear you tell the guy at my gym that I see consistently bench pressing 170-180+kg that he hasn't benched 180kg because a judge didn't say he has.

[GHOSTrun]

I'd love to hear you tell the guy at my gym that I see consistently bench pressing 170-180+kg that he hasn't benched 180kg because a judge didn't say he has.

Take a video and post it up otherwise it didn't happen. I'll give you one week to do so otherwise you will forever be known as a shit talker on this forum.

[GHOSTrun]

How can it drop 37kg ? If the bar is the same Etc what is the difference?

I'll let Markos explain, he's had much more experience with comps + lifters than me so his answer will be more accurate.

I've only competed a handful of times, and contrary to what I'm saying about gym lifts, most of my PB's have actually been done in comps, but it's definitely a different feeling to lifting in the gym, way out of your comfort zone which can make a huge difference. It's also why Markos runs so many comps through the year so his lifters have ample opportunity to get experience.

Edited October 27, 2012 by GHOSTrun

[dezz]

Take a video and post it up otherwise it didn't happen. I'll give you one week to do so otherwise you will forever be known as a shit talker on this forum.

Do you really think he cares what some guy on a forum thinks?

I've seen him do it, and he knows he's done it because he was under the bar when he did it. Nothing else matters

[GHOSTrun]

Do you really think he cares what some guy on a forum thinks?

I've seen him do it, and he knows he's done it because he was under the bar when he did it. Nothing else matters

My post was nothing to do with him, it's about your credability. You've got to understand that on the internet it's very easy for people to talk shit, we've all seen it before, so if you want to be taken seriously you have to provide some proof otherwise you're just another mo-mo dreamer waste of dots on the screen.

It's ok if there isn't a guy at your gym benching 4 plates just say so and we'll move on...

Edited October 27, 2012 by GHOSTrun

[dezz]

Lol if that's your attempt at 'trolling', you'll need to try harder (or not at all would be my suggestion)

You've got tickets on yourself if you think I'm worried about whether or not you think I'm credible.

Not sure what I'd have to gain by lying about SOMEONE ELSE'S figures whom I don't acrually know

I'm not going to film him because a) I don't know him and b) I'm pretty confident that I can say on his behalf that he couldn't care less about whether or not you believe he has benched 180kg.

[TTT]

[rev210]

Just to stir the pot ha ha......but, I used to be able to raw bench 175kg (spotters /no belt), squat 235kg (no belt /no spotter) but, I never competed, was a snick over or under 90kg. The thing is that the PB's were on the days the stars aligned and I trained by myself alot with no pressure. I experienced plenty of days when I was a fair whack off the PB and can only imagine how nerves would play a part in a comp.

Seeing or hearing about big lifts can be inspirational. There's no point calling BS unless someone is claiming personal hero status or a record ( since I stated the above I can cop the BS tag if people think I deserve it). I think more constructively it's better to ask ' what do you need to do to get to a big weight on bench?' There seems to be more point to that.

10yrs have past and I am out of shape. However, I still remember what I would need to do to get strong again on those lifts (though at 40 I wonder if I could beat them). The first thing I would do is get to a gym with some powerlifting people in it,as I know the benifit from coaching on lift tech, apart from the diet, it determines how limited you will be in long term progress.

[TTT]

Rev - PM me the good and the bad about your RS172.