Gym And Supplement Discussion

[Mitcho_7]

Fair enough, it's still quite good numbers really. And 116 for ~7 reps is fantastic. That'd be around 130kg 1RM.

Id agree with jangles, its defs bigger then 130kg 1RM.

Im close (give me 3 weeks) to a 1rm bench of 130kg and i could maybe do like 3 reps at 115kg.

Either way its solid benching!

[Trozzle]

Hahaha Boz!

I'm undecided whether I should try for a 1RM on squats tomorrow morning before I do my working sets...currently on 140kg 5x5 (almost), with a belt reckon I could do 160?

[bozodos]

i reckon you could go harder, why don't ya do 160 and see how you feel after that?

[Trozzle]

...after that...? You're nuts lol

[Trozzle]

Absolutely failed haha...but I feel f**king horrible this morning, absolutely no energy or motivation

[Mitcho_7]

if you can rep 140 x5 then higher then 160 1rm is probably achievable. See how you feel after the 160, have a decent rest and maybe add 5-10kgs. Do the 1rm attempt before your volume work though.

[Trozzle]

And actually have a somewhat concerning pain on the top of my patella....like the ligament is trying to tear itself away from the bone. Not doing any more squats today. This f**ks me off big time.

[bozodos]

well to put it into perspective, I do 142.5 x8x3, when I did 1RM, because I had no idea what I could do, I did 180 which was easy, then 200, at which point I didn't want to push it any harder in case my knees gave out.

I've found that curling the toes to stop leaning forward and using the hips / glutes to come back up and concentrating on that has helped a lot with any knee soreness that I've had, that said I always err on the side of caution when something does not feel right.

[Birds]

Yo Troy man, was Googling up on my frequently cracking knees (when I get up from a seated or lying position)...saw this article, which talks about something similar to what you may be experiencing with squats.

http://blogs.menshealth.com/muscle-guy/is-it-bad-that-my-knees-crack-when-i-squat/2011/

Now some folks will notice a grinding noise in the knee joint when they squat. If its not painful, its categorized as benign creptius which, again. is nothing to be concerned about. Many people experience this throughout their lives and never have any problems.

If the condition is painful, then thats a different story entirely. The undersurface of your kneecap (patella) can rub unevenly on the front of your thigh bone (femur). This causes the cartilage on the undersurface of the kneecap, and on the front of the thigh bone, to soften and eventually wear off so that it hangs in strands of what looks like loose crab meat. This loose cartilage can irritate the surrounding soft-tissues of the knee joint, and result in pain in the front of the knee with squatting, stair climbing, or even just sitting with your knee bent for an extended period of time.

If this is the case, physical therapy, or in worst cases, surgery, will be required to resolve the condition to allow you to return to normal activities.

[r31slpr]

This causes the cartilage on the undersurface of the kneecap, and on the front of the thigh bone, to soften and eventually wear off so that it hangs in strands of what looks like loose crab meat.

I have before and after pictures of this from my surgery.

I can put them up here for peoples viewing pleasure in about a month if you want.

Now some folks will notice a grinding noise in the knee joint when they squat. If its not painful, its categorized as benign creptius which, again. is nothing to be concerned about. Many people experience this throughout their lives and never have any problems.

If it's any help my good knee does this a lot.

My physio said it shouldn't be a problem unless there is pain and suggested that I do itb releases on the foam roller twice a day for a few weeks and see if it goes away.

Edited December 8, 2013 by r31slpr

[Trozzle]

My pain is definitely not on the inside of my knee so to speak. It's on the outside edge where you'd expect your various quad ligaments to be attached to the patella. Can trigger the pain by firmly pressing/rubbing the area of the bone. It's exactly like I just banged my knee on the corner of a desk or something (or the head stem of a pushbike, as I've done countless times before)

[jangles]

here?

edit: ignore, thats not the top.

tight quads can cause what i think youre suggesting.
got a foam roller with a pvc inner? get smashing.

[Birds]

Does it give you a bit of a slight burning sensation with it too? And does the pain come and go as your leg moves about / straightens and contracts?

[Trozzle]

Pain has zero - I repeat - ZERO to do with any muscles (though I won't discount they're somehow the cause). The pain is ON THE BONE. On the TOP EDGE of my patella (when standing upright). In case nobody here knows what your patella actually is (which I know isn't the case, but you're trying hard to prove otherwise lol), it's your KNEE CAP. Yes, the bone. My pain is ON THE BONE.

[The Bogan]

The liquid chalk that I made up a while ago has worked extremely well.

One block of chalk and 385ml of isopropyl alcohol made up 2 x 200ml bottles, total cost was around $15, $5 for the chalk and $10 for the alcohol.

Same stuff sells for $20 to $30 for around 50ml on fleabay.

Crushed the chalk to dust by hand in a large zip lock bag, added the alco and mixed it by mashing it up in the bag.

To fill the bottles I cut the corner off one side of the bag and squeezed it into the bottle (got this by watching my missus ice a cake).

If your gym hates on chalk (and there is no alternative) then this could save you some bucks.

I actually put this on first up when I get to the gym, I put it on and grab the bar and it leaves a nice layer of chalk on the bar to start with, I only need to use dry chalk every so often then as it seems to stick better to my hands, probably the alco initially imbedding it into the pores of my hands.

[jangles]

Pain has zero - I repeat - ZERO to do with any muscles (though I won't discount they're somehow the cause). The pain is ON THE BONE. On the TOP EDGE of my patella (when standing upright). In case nobody here knows what your patella actually is (which I know isn't the case, but you're trying hard to prove otherwise lol), it's your KNEE CAP. Yes, the bone. My pain is ON THE BONE.

Nice use of caps lock. But i doubt highly THE BONE is causing pain. Unless you've hit it and bruised it.

tight quads MUSCLES AND LIGAMENTS pull on the patella BONE.

Pretty much any ache or pain in the body will be from muscles, tendons and ligaments.

[Trozzle]

Or unless I have (mild) patella tendonitis.

I'm sorry though, I just can't see how anything I said could point to muscle. I wouldn't be whinging if it was muscular, since then I'd at least know where the issue was.

[jangles]

Or unless I have (mild) patella tendonitis.I'm sorry though, I just can't see how anything I said could point to muscle. I wouldn't be whinging if it was muscular, since then I'd at least know where the issue was.

you do know that Itis means inflammation and tendon means the tendon, so patella tendonitis would be inflammation of the patella tendon.

Tendons attach the muscle to the bone....

Pain isn't always direct.

[Trozzle]

Yes I know "itis" more or less means the inflammation of. Regardless, the pain is where the tendon attaches to the bone, as confirmed by jamming my knuckle into the area of pain. Also everything I found regarding people experiencing pain in the same area or general information pages further suggest patella tendonitis.

I've had this same pain before from ramping up weight on leg press too quickly.

And yes I know the site/location of pain isn't always where the cause is - it could be from tight quads or something. The pain is on the edge of the bone, that I'm absolutely 100000000% certain of.

[Trozzle]

Also sorry for sounding blunt, I f**king hate typing out anything remotely detailed on my phone.