Guilt-toy Now Running On E85 !

[SLAPS]

Depends... plumb back or screamer?

IMO 3" is marginal for 320rwkw+ if the gate is plumbed back in.

[juggernaut1]

Depends... plumb back or screamer?

IMO 3" is marginal for 320rwkw+ if the gate is plumbed back in.

Plumback......yep you pretty much echo my thoughts re the 3 inch.

[JonnoHR31]

^^^^refer to the top of the spec sheet.....or if your in WA I got it through the WA distributor - "Filters Elite" ph 9356 1155.

what sort of price you paying for it? if you dont mind sharing?

[juggernaut1]

You don't want to know.....$669 for 200 litres and $15 delivered to my door.

At that price I'm not going to run it on the street - just at the circuit - I'll run two maps in the Autronic.

Edited May 30, 2009 by juggernaut1

[NYTSKY]

I could ship a 200L drum to you for cheaper than that

[juggernaut1]

I could ship a 200L drum to you for cheaper than that

Are we talking Powerplus E85, and if not does it include the anti-corrosive properties and lubricants as contained in the Powerplus mix? Or is all E85 the same stuff and simply rebranded and marketted as such?

[NYTSKY]

Its all the same stuff.

E85 either comes from CSR or Manildra. Unless Powerplus are making it themselves which i doubt.

As we were going through installing the new fuel system all parts that were taken off the car were inspected, everything looked great

The injector O-rings are not brittle and have no sign of cracks or premature wear at all. I was comparing them to a new set that i have and i cannot tell the difference between the two.

[juggernaut1]

Its all the same stuff.

E85 either comes from CSR or Manildra. Unless Powerplus are making it themselves which i doubt.

As we were going through installing the new fuel system all parts that were taken off the car were inspected, everything looked great

The injector O-rings are not brittle and have no sign of cracks or premature wear at all. I was comparing them to a new set that i have and i cannot tell the difference between the two.

Sounds good...I'll get back to you re future supplies.

You might have to send it over Mad Max style - send the decoy fuel tanker to Queensland and the bus loaded with drums of E85 to WA.

Currently upgrading my fuel system at the moment. Did you ditch your Nismo intank when you upgraded? I was hoping to run my current Nismo in tank to a new 044 in line and hard wire both pumps to the battery with relays.

Edited May 31, 2009 by juggernaut1

[NYTSKY]

Keeping the Nismo as a lift pump. To the tank and then the 044s.

There is no way i was ditching it! The Nismo intank is one tough pump!

[DaGr81]

Guys how's it going with e85 availability in Sydney? Is there enough supply for me to tune for e85 permanently yet? Also anyone reccomend a place in Sydney that can tune it for me? I seem to have bad luck with tuners my last place a certain high performance workshop in auburn has my car pinging like shit

[Sydneykid]

Scott or Dyno Dave at Insight, they have lots of E85 experience now.

E85 availability is really dependant on where you live, I go past Lansdowne at least once week and our race team machinist is walking distance from the Nowra outlet.

E85 based on Manildra ethanol :

Shoalhaven Ethanol Fuel

215 Kinghorne St

Nowra NSW 2540

Ethanol Fuel

(near McDonald's)

251 Princes Highway

Albion Park NSW 2527

2 Rawson St

Granville 2142

Enhance

(Liverpool side of the Mecano Set)

987 Hume Highway

Lansdowne 2163

Forestville Ethanol

Warringah Road just north of the Coles Express Station. (not confirmed)

E85 based on CSR ethanol

United Service Station

127 Victoria Rd

Rozelle NSW Sydney

Powerplus buy the ethanol (the 85%) from CSR and then blend it with 98 ron petrol (the 15%). What you buy from the outlets above is 85% ethanol plus 15% 91 ron petrol. So Powerplus claim a better brew, to justify 2 to 3 times the price. Personally I don't give it much weight, to me the blended with 98 versus 91 is a bit of marketing spin. The simple numbers are;

85% Ethanol at 110 ron blended with 15% 91 ron = 107 ron

85% Ethanol at 110 ron blended with 15% 98 ron = 108 ron

I am not sure that I would be spending 2.5 times as much for 1 ron.

Cheers

Gary

[juggernaut1]

Gary,

Firstly good to see your back on the forum.

Powerplus "quote" 116 RON and 108 MON - refer the spec sheet on the previous page which I grabbed off their website - which is a bit more than what you've mentioned.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that the price difference is hard to justify and whether there is any performance difference might be negligible.

[Sydneykid]

Gary,

Firstly good to see your back on the forum.

Powerplus "quote" 116 RON and 108 MON - refer the spec sheet on the previous page which I grabbed off their website - which is a bit more than what you've mentioned.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that the price difference is hard to justify and whether there is any performance difference might be negligible.

Good to be back, I have finally cleared enough space in my time (and brain) to actually read up on what I have been missing out on. Especailly E85, as I started using ethanol in the Skylines almost 4 years ago and the Stagea has always run on some % of ethanol.

I used 110 ron as it is the lowest commonly figure quoted for ethanol, some quote it at 120 ron. They measurement of ron is not particularly accurate for ethanol, actually more to the point, it's not truly relevant. They really need to devise a more accurate and applicable measure with up to date physics and chemistry. Let's face it ron over 100 is a simple extrapolation of iso-octane and hence can be argued for and against.

As for the Powerplus claim you get that result when you use 120 ron for Ethanol.

85% Ethanol at 120 ron blended with 15% 91 ron = 116 ron

85% Ethanol at 120 ron blended with 15% 98 ron = 117 ron

Still only 1 ron difference.

The point I was making is that using 91 ron or 98 ron (ie; 15% of 7 ron) is never going to make more than 1 ron difference in the total result, so it's really just marketing spin.

Cheers

Gary

[NYTSKY]

Just to clarify the only place that sells E85 is the United at Rozelle.

All the other servos did at one stage sell it.

[SirRacer]

Have any of you guys had issues with O Rings swelling due to the use of this biofuel.

Im in NZ and we only have E15 at this stage. Ive purchased brand new o rings, and replaced the whole pipe and clamps going into my fuel tank, however the O ring is still swelling and the thing leaking.

I enjoy having the biofuel as it sure smells better with a surge tank than normal 98 fuel, however its annoying when i cant put more than half a tank of gas in my car.

Any ideas?

Cheers

[juggernaut1]

From a logic point of view if the o ring is swelling wouldn't it be effectively increasing the pressure exerted on the two mating surfaces and therefore minimise leaking? Is the o-ring properly seated?

[SirRacer]

In theory yes, however ive got a nice trickle of fuel running out of my tank so id presume the swelling is effecting the seal.

Ive tried 3 or 4 different seals and seating is easy when you look at the way the ring sits in the tank. There is a slot especially for it.

Cheers

[eXquiSit]

Keeping the Nismo as a lift pump. To the tank and then the 044s.

There is no way i was ditching it! The Nismo intank is one tough pump!

wouldnt using such a high pressure high flow pump then pressurise the surge tank?

[Adriano]

No, the surge tank returns to the main tank, so there is no pressure in it.

[DaGr81]

I'm in syd and it does seem that only rozelle sells it, I'll have to check on the one in lansvale because I'm in Liverpool, but with my car being only just with minor mods it pulls 200rwkw, I know e85 needs bigger injectors but is it necessary? I don't want to go over 200rwkw at this stage. Because the stock turbo will shit itself. So if I can I'd like to keep it with standard injectors until I do the highflow route with bigger injectors and z32 afm at the same time. Btw I run a PFC as well.

May I have contact details for insight

Ta