Formal Apology

[The Dan]

Hello all,

I thought this would be more appropriate in a thread of its own.

I had a task to accomplish at the request of one of my customers. He wanted to know if the turbine wheel on his pair of R34 GTR turbos was ceramic or steel. This was so that he could decide whether to upgrade to some -7's or stay with the stockies. At the risk of doing myself out of a sale, I always stay honest with my customers at all times and will always persue the truth no matter what the risk or consequence. Honesty is the very best policy in my opinion.

After many people told me I was wrong, I was beginning to think maybe I was but the evidence was confusing to say the least. I was also told by the manufacturer that it was, indeed, steel. This was direct from Garrett. I was, again, told I was wrong but I needed to prove conclusively that it was either steel or ceramic. At the risk of looking like a wanker I persued it further so that I could give my customer a definite answer.

I spoke with Garrett 3 more times on the matter and also spoke to Heat Treatments about testing the metal. I had people checking data for me from Garrett until finally speaking to the right person.

The first person I spoke to was incorrect. The second person told me, without a doubt, that the R34 GTR has a ceramic wheel on the turbine. It is still ball bearing and is the only one of its kind.

The conclusion is - R34 GTR turbos are ceramic turbine. They are the only ceramic turbined ball bearing turbo ever made by garrett.

I am sorry if I have misled anyone with information I provided on this matter. I was led to believe by experts in their field, that the fact was different.

I also said I would apologise if Garrett were lying to me, which they had unintentionally done so. I am sorry for this.

I am also sorry for dragging user DirtGarage down in multiple threads as a result of my pigheadedness in my quest to seek the truth as this argument would not have occured if I had received the correct information and not spoken until I had received it.

Kind regards, Daniel

[The Dan]

feel free to attach this post to the bottom of the thread in question as it may help if anyone is searching for info later.

[bubba]

Takes some balls to stand up like you just did, kudos

[Guilt-Toy]

It sucks when you are told something direct from the horses mouth and it is the wrong information. I am sure Dirtgarage can relate to that.

At the end of the day, shit happens and if we don't have strong opinions about stuff then SAU would get boring real damn quick.

[Swiper the Fox]

I am also sorry for dragging user DirtGarage down in multiple threads as a result of my pigheadedness in my quest to seek the truth as this argument would not have occured if I had received the correct information and not spoken until I had received it.

Kind regards, Daniel

Dan...well done mate.

you have just gone up a notch in my book. You are now at notch 1 (joke)

sometimes the information you recieve from suppliers is not always correct or is their slanted version of the truth as i tried to point out in the P.E. thread. My reputation has been comprimised in the past for similar mis-information by a product supplier so i know exactly how you feel.

I raise my cold glass to you.

Edited January 22, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[Lithium]

Good show man And cheers for sharing, the more people in the car scene looking out for the good of the many instead of their own pride - the better things will get. I had never been too sure about the R34 turbos, always under the impression they were effectively GT25Rs.

On that topic I think Nissan have a few "specials", the (IHI based I think?) R33/R34 "GTSt" turbos are ball bearing and ceramic turbine/nylon compressor which is an interesting mix and I am still trying to ascertain whether facelift S14/S15 SR20DET turbos have a ceramic turbine. WHY DID THEY DO IT?

[Johnny]

Well done mate, takes a real man to push the envelope for the right answer so in future we dont have to debate it anymore!

Might wanna get a mod to change the title to "Truth about r34 gtr turbos"

Anyways down side is now im defnitely gonna have to do my turbz asap as i dont want this ceramic junk flooding my engine when they come appart lolz.

[Iron Chef]

Not ALL R34 GT-R turbos were ceramic though

[NZM.031]

restecp!!

well there goes my idea of using some r34 gtr turbos due to the steel wheel.. just have to get some n1's instead.

[VB-]

nudes?

[R33GTRKid]

shit man, based on you telling me my 34 had steel wheels, I cranked the boost to 437PSI and all of a sudden something went bang including my motor from this pottery looking dust....?

WTF Doooddddd

haha jokes man, good on ya for standing up to it, and bloody garrett, sheesh.....

[nfi]

Good show man And cheers for sharing, the more people in the car scene looking out for the good of the many instead of their own pride - the better things will get. I had never been too sure about the R34 turbos, always under the impression they were effectively GT25Rs.

On that topic I think Nissan have a few "specials", the (IHI based I think?) R33/R34 "GTSt" turbos are ball bearing and ceramic turbine/nylon compressor which is an interesting mix and I am still trying to ascertain whether facelift S14/S15 SR20DET turbos have a ceramic turbine. WHY DID THEY DO IT?

S15 turbos are without a doubt steel wheel on both the turbine and compressor. (I used to have one an s15)

R33gtst are ceramic turbine (turbine steel or ceramic?)

R34gtt are ceramic turbine, nylon compressor.

Mate, I feel for you I understand how frustrating it is when you get told something by the apparent expert only to find out is wrong. That is the problem I have with the automotive industry- its very difficult to find anyone you can trust. Hence I have just learnt myself by seeing/doing/watching things rather than listening to people. Well done for persisting though.

Edited January 22, 2009 by nfi

[Adriano]

r33 and s15 compressor wheels are aluminium alloy like 99.9% turbos.

[DRD-00F]

R33 wheels are made out of titanium unobtanium... really, they're good for the same amount of pressure you felt as a peer when all your cool friends smoked...

[Bakes]

This says the R34 GTR changed to a steel turbine.

http://www.nagtroc.org/wiki/Nissan_R34_GT-R_on_Wikipedia

This one says ceramic turbos.

http://www.gtrclub.org/r34.shtml

I think people can be excused for getting confused with it all.

[Swiper the Fox]

This says the R34 GTR changed to a steel turbine.

http://www.nagtroc.org/wiki/Nissan_R34_GT-R_on_Wikipedia

it also says this nonsense...

The stronger block from the R33 N1 GT-R was used on all R34 GT-Rs.

Edited January 22, 2009 by DiRTgarage

[s13_Skyline_inside]

good to see someone tells the truth no matter if they are right or wrong in the first place, i know i am re iterating but so many (performance guru's) will fight to the end to be right even if they are not, ive got a question tho, ive got a pair of high flowed gtr turbo's sitting at home that are spose to have steel wheels, but a magnet wont attach to the rear wheels, a workshop owner told me once that the magnet will not stick because of carbon build up, what do you guys think?

[wolverine]

ive got a question tho, ive got a pair of high flowed gtr turbo's sitting at home that are spose to have steel wheels, but a magnet wont attach to the rear wheels, a workshop owner told me once that the magnet will not stick because of carbon build up, what do you guys think?

r33 and s15 compressor wheels are aluminium alloy like 99.9% turbos.

certainly non-magnetic alloys.

Edited January 22, 2009 by wolverine

[Lithium]

r33 and s15 compressor wheels are aluminium alloy like 99.9% turbos.

Picture of the broken compressor wheel from my stock R33 turbo - you sure that looks like aluminium alloy?

[Guilt-Toy]

series 1 turbos had steel front wheels, s2 had nylon on the r33's. series 1.5 had steel. (i think )