Market In Sa ?

[Tangles]

query for the reader:

is there a market in SA for a custom ecu eprom tune? ie would you yourself consider doing a basic remap on your skyline?

something Im thinking of learning and doing...... learn on mine for a year until I am comfortable and then offer basic maps/install for others? it would take at least a year from starting out "feeling" etc, to being ok about offering a map to others.

I would arrange dyno time thru a reputable tuner, plug into your vehicle and gain info, write a base map, cut your chip out, solder in an adapter, plug in the base chip and check it out on the dyno, the tuner will be needed to operate and adjust for fuel (if adjustable, such as FPR) and ignition timing. Then write a remap... recheck on dyno. Use 2-3 chips per customer, around 2 hrs dyno time - should only be a $300 all up customer cost (map, ecu mod costs, soldering fee) plus tuners fee for dyno/service etc?

a good emprom usb writer and a bunch of chips and adapters plus a decent o2 wideband sensor kit would be over a grand start out costs.

problem is the chips & adapters..... costs plus the soldering in part ..... I could learn soldering, dunno we'll see

first off I'll buy a eprom ecu burner, wideband 02 & knock sensor kit and purchase some chips that suit my ecu adapter, and muck around with it on my car.

After time if it's all good I could get a bunch of chips/adapters and go nuts?

thoughts?

or is it all wank? no market for it therefore just a "thing" you do?

thinking outloud..... these knees are ruined, so got to find something I a). can do, b). enjoy doing & c). offer to others as a hobby & can be done safely under workshop supervision, so everyone is happy.

[bezender]

i say go for it! its always good to learn new skills. i'd be keen to test your skills on my car once you have a handle on it all

[Damo_R34]

i say go ahead with it billie goat. at least you know if u ever change anything under the hood, you can do the tune! will save you alot in the long run, even if you just buy the parts to just do your own car.

[D_Stirls]

I'm not 100% sure on what youare proposing but if i have it right (your running a remaping service) then Jeff (Speedlab) already does this and he know's his shit backwards, i think that you will have problems with finding people to let you practice on their car as the result of getting it wrong will be VERY expensive, also you will need to burn more than 2 or 3 chips to get the tune to a reasonable standard. Jeff uses an emulator (and sometunes a nistune chipped ECU from the same model) to do his tunes which means he can do back to back runs changing the tune on the run and with my car it would have had 100's or runs over a number of sessions to get it to where it is now. For you to do the same thing you would be burning 100's of chips.

I think you have a simplistic view on what is an extremely technical profession.

Edited March 12, 2009 by D_Stirls

[JMW]

I say go for it, especially if you cant start setting Z32 ecu's for RB25's

[Krishy]

yeah i say go for it tangles

as long as you can get it happening right i am sure that you will know what you are doing

after tunning a few cars....or your own car then you will get the whole idea of it etc

but i am with Dale on saying that Jeff already does this sort of tuning mate

so you will find it hard to get customers to start off with

[HOSTILE]

I'm not 100% sure on what youare proposing but if i have it right (your running a remaping service) then Jeff (Speedlab) already does this and he know's his shit backwards, i think that you will have problems with finding people to let you practice on their car as the result of getting it wrong will be VERY expensive, also you will need to burn more than 2 or 3 chips to get the tune to a reasonable standard. Jeff uses an emulator (and sometunes a nistune chipped ECU from the same model) to do his tunes which means he can do back to back runs changing the tune on the run and with my car it would have had 100's or runs over a number of sessions to get it to where it is now. For you to do the same thing you would be burning 100's of chips.

I think you have a simplistic view on what is an extremely technical profession.

Fair comments, but I think Tangles is old enough and intelligent enough to know this.... just because there are already people doing this does not mean there is not room for more. You can learn and be good at anything you are passionate about.... if you have the time and the inclination I say go for it Tangles.

[typevu]

More competitions = better prices right

[Krishy]

More competitions = better prices right

Well you would hope so Vu

[Madaz]

follow your heart big fella

BFG ftw yo!!

[SLAPS]

Tangles.. I looked in to this some time ago.

Doesn't work out too expensive if you grab the bits from ebay.

[Mr Jollwah]

[darkhalf]

It takes minimum 30-60 minutes to desolder/resolder an EPROM or board to an ECU. Soldering skills are essential as you dont want to kill a customers ECU!! The only Skylines which are single EPROM chip are R31 and R32. It will take another 30 minutes just to roll the car onto the dyno and set everything up... so theres an hour to factor into your time on top of tuning.

You didnt mention emulators here so I'm assuming you are going to burn/reburn? Thats going to chew a lot of expensive dyno time also so you are better off with an emulator so you can at least change maps on the fly. You also need maptracing to see which part of the maps you are going to use using NissanDataScan or our offerings

As others have mentioned Jeff does this all the time and has got it down to a tee. He knows his engines and tuning since hes been doing it for quite a while and got his base tunes sorted for many combinations making it cost effective. In addition to this he knows how the ECU code functions and has assisted me in finding more tables for things which fall in the special conditions part of the ECU (warm starting, idle control etc) for more special cases. Hes not the only one doing this stuff either since workshops in Adelaide using our stuff are already setup and Nistune is just an extension of ROM tuning. Just some food for thought anyways

[Tangles]

Update:

Available to consult your ecu, diagnose errors, reset, chart / log info data, save rom tune, etc

Have full version Nissan Data Scan v1.53, and a decent dell laptop to diagnose your Nissan vehicle.

soon will have wideband analyser & a ecu rom emulator, with model specific (stagea or skyline) ecu chips.

I will be able to supply a base-map ecu rom chip that you solder in then check on dyno.

to do this tho I'll need to access a number of remaped ecu's such as my own.

not for another 12 months, but all in good time.

so here's to self learning

use my wcgn34 stagea as a mule to learn, and grab some base maps from r32, r33, & r34 (2.0L, 2.5L & 2.6L)

if you've got a remapped ecu id be interested in catching up one day and copying your rom hex data via my consult nissan datascan setup

chuck me a PM if you can help out.

cheers

Tangles

[-RBD2-]

ive got a spare series1 stagea ecu if you want to play with it brendo,just let me know mate

[Tommy Kaira RL]

Where I work we use eprom bases that you solder on the circuit board first then you can plug as many eproms in and out as you want without a problem just have to use an eprom tool. We also copy chips using an eprom copying machine. You just plug the original in one side and copy it to a new one next to it. I maybe able to help you with this sort of stuff if you need it. The circuit boards we sometimes get with the eprom soldered in allready we solder suck them out so it dosent ruin the tracks then install the bases. It is a quick job that way

[nugzy31]

if you want another test mule....seeing as you r relatively local to me....you could use my R31....id just need a loan car

[Tangles]

yeah all Id like to do at this stage is plug my laptop/consult into some skylines that run a Remapped ECU & download a 5min copy of the tune

no biggie tho, not ready to do anything with it at this stage (funds....)

[Dohmar]

yeah all Id like to do at this stage is plug my laptop/consult into some skylines that run a Remapped ECU & download a 5min copy of the tune

no biggie tho, not ready to do anything with it at this stage (funds....)

I have a stock 32 gtr ecu with a custom tune, you're more than welcome to download it

-D

[Damo_R34]

yeah my rb20 31 has a remap, you can use it.