Stagea Steering, Sharpening It Up?

[MyStag260]

So the list for things i love about my stag is massive, i do however have a small list of things id like to improve apon... im sure you know what im talking about haha

1 thing i want to improve is the sharpness i suppose u would call it is the tiller, the response of the wheel isn't bad its just... cooshy i suppose u could call it. The ride is firm and the body roll isn't bad due to the coil overs so in that regards i don't think i need a change (at least i hope so). I am no mechanic as you have probably guessed by now haha but i hear talk n shit about control arms, sway bars, bushings etc but really unsure what to look for or what changes i should make without wasting my time.

Any suggestions would be helpful... thanks in advance

Edited March 19, 2009 by MyStag260

[_Ryan_]

i know someone who sets this shit up for a living, who suggested chasing some t-valve or something in the powersteering... that will make it sharper and more feel around the middle, and more +ive castor will help!

so

t-valve

positive castor

nice new bushes

Edited March 19, 2009 by Ryan1600

[wolverine]

1. +castor is your friend.

so a nice set of adjustable radius rods preferably with polyurethane bushes (to keep NVH down). move the guard in front of the wheel as far forward as you can (if you are going for broke) and then wind on as much +ve castor as you can get.

2. you already have relatively beefed up swaybars vs RS4 stagea so you will a lesser improvement compared to most others with an upgrade here.

Edited March 19, 2009 by wolverine

[MyStag260]

Sounds good guys will check into it... soon ey

anyone know any other shops i should check out peeps?

[msports180]

Yeah positive castor makes a big difference as mentioned.

Also consider your wheel alignment, most cars are designed for passive understeer by the wheel alignment.

Consider postive castor, and neautral toe to toe out will increase turn in, but will cause the car to follow the camber of the road more.

Adjustable sway bars to for sure.

Nolathane do adjustable castor rod bushes, what im doing is going some ISC adjustable castor rods and an agressive wheel alignment.

[M I K E]

solid steering rack spacer will increase the directness of your steering

[kidafa]

yeah steering rack bushes are going to be farked out most of out 10+ year old cars... super pro do some that fit apparantly.

[_Ryan_]

Yeah positive castor makes a big difference as mentioned.

Also consider your wheel alignment, most cars are designed for passive understeer by the wheel alignment.

Consider postive castor, and neautral toe to toe out will increase turn in, but will cause the car to follow the camber of the road more.

Adjustable sway bars to for sure.

Nolathane do adjustable castor rod bushes, what im doing is going some ISC adjustable castor rods and an agressive wheel alignment.

I thought rear toe in helped turn in grip and toe out for slidey?

solid steering rack spacer will increase the directness of your steering

and will put the column thru your chest

had a chat to paul on msn and pointed him in the direction of some gurus, so hopefully he gets it sorted!

[msports180]

I thought rear toe in helped turn in grip and toe out for slidey?

and will put the column thru your chest

had a chat to paul on msn and pointed him in the direction of some gurus, so hopefully he gets it sorted!

I meant the front toe.

But yes rear toe again can help, but depends whethere HICAS is there or not, being a 260RS it will have it fitted, whether he has a cancellor rod or not he never mentioned.

And yes rear toe in helps stability and turn in, and toe out makes the car more slidey.

[_Ryan_]

I meant the front toe.

But yes rear toe again can help, but depends whethere HICAS is there or not, being a 260RS it will have it fitted, whether he has a cancellor rod or not he never mentioned.

And yes rear toe in helps stability and turn in, and toe out makes the car more slidey.

yay for brain farts

[Mr_RS4]

Slight thread hijack....I'm also after the same thing as mentioned in the first post. I have SK's complete suspension kit and have adjustable bushes in the front and rear as well as in the castor rods. But ever since I've owned the car (with the stock suspension) I've always had alignment issues. So while the topic is on castor rods what are the options to go full adjustable on everything, casotr rods, front and rear control arms, tie rods etc....basically adjustable bushes aren't cutting it for me so I'd rather go for complete adjustable items. I"m also assuming replacing all these components with adjustable ones and throwing in a new set of steering rack bushes and steering rack spacers would really improve things steering and handling wise. The car handles much better than it did but the alignment and lack of steering response and feel let it down. I think the pwr steering could do with less assistance really, I'm guessing thats why valving was mentioned, is it possible to change the valving or something? Would all R33 items fit?

[Stagea_Neo]

Just an fyi, came across this link in another forum when doing google searches.

Has quiet a few pdf's on steering geometry for our vehicles.

Not sure if it's all correct/original specs, but cant see why not.

http://www.risingsunperformance.co.uk/shop/technical.php

[_Ryan_]

Slight thread hijack....I'm also after the same thing as mentioned in the first post. I have SK's complete suspension kit and have adjustable bushes in the front and rear as well as in the castor rods. But ever since I've owned the car (with the stock suspension) I've always had alignment issues. So while the topic is on castor rods what are the options to go full adjustable on everything, casotr rods, front and rear control arms, tie rods etc....basically adjustable bushes aren't cutting it for me so I'd rather go for complete adjustable items. I"m also assuming replacing all these components with adjustable ones and throwing in a new set of steering rack bushes and steering rack spacers would really improve things steering and handling wise. The car handles much better than it did but the alignment and lack of steering response and feel let it down. I think the pwr steering could do with less assistance really, I'm guessing thats why valving was mentioned, is it possible to change the valving or something? Would all R33 items fit?

justjap do arm combos...

[KiwiRS4T]

I got a second hand pair of Cusco adjustable castor arms for $125 - less than the cost of the bushes I got last time and now with unlimited adjustment ( went for 6deg left and 5.75 deg rt) and a set of rear adjustable camber arms for $130 (they vary new from $130 locally made to $250 Cusco type).

[260tech]

So the list for things i love about my stag is massive, i do however have a small list of things id like to improve apon... im sure you know what im talking about haha

1 thing i want to improve is the sharpness i suppose u would call it is the tiller, the response of the wheel isn't bad its just... cooshy i suppose u could call it. The ride is firm and the body roll isn't bad due to the coil overs so in that regards i don't think i need a change (at least i hope so). I am no mechanic as you have probably guessed by now haha but i hear talk n shit about control arms, sway bars, bushings etc but really unsure what to look for or what changes i should make without wasting my time.

Any suggestions would be helpful... thanks in advance

Hi there, kinda old post I know but have you been through this thread end to end, heaps of good info in here if you take the time to pick through it all but in particular: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/St....html&st=20

Anyway, I put SK's full monty (but with Eibach coil springs-not Whiteline) on my 260 even though it was pretty good in the first place apart from chewing out rear tyres, goes real good now. I fitted Whiteline solid adjustable swaybars front & rear, (original bars were fixed position solid front/hollow rear) set to medium stiff, middle hole - points good in corners.

Ref castor & quote SK "you can never have enough caster" but at the end of the day there will come a point when you load up the steering system to the point where power steering components are loaded to a seriously shortened life. I have aimed for the settings in this post (http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/Stagea-Suspension-t53079.html&st=20) & have no problems to date. I did this upgrade about 2 years ago now. Actually it was the first thing I did ~ to improve rear tyre life was the official reason.

My 2c

Cheers GW

[bubba]

I think the pwr steering could do with less assistance really, I'm guessing thats why valving was mentioned, is it possible to change the valving or something? Would all R33 items fit?

I would like the steering response to be like that of my R32.. I'm unsure as to whether it is purely electronically controlled or would requiring different valving parts though.

[Mr_RS4]

justjap do arm combos...

Yeah been looking at those, just want to make sure that R33 stuff fits. I know that some have tried R33 rear upper arms so I'm guessing it applies to the rest

[adey]

Back from the dead!!

Can anyone tell me if the 260RS steering rack is the R33 gtr rack (in which case I can use the R33 nismo steering rack bushings) or the C34 rack (in which case I have to look elsewhere)?

 

Thanks!!

[adey]

On 5/28/2021 at 8:51 PM, adey said:

Back from the dead!!

Can anyone tell me if the 260RS steering rack is the R33 gtr rack (in which case I can use the R33 nismo steering rack bushings) or the C34 rack (in which case I have to look elsewhere)?

 

Thanks!!

For anyone who cares/searches for this down the line, it appears that the part numbers are the same for the steering rack bushings/insulators between the R32 GTR, R33 GTR, and 260RS.  

I ordered a set of R33 GTR Nismo stiffened steering bushes for my Stagea 260RS (2000/S2) and will let you know if they fit!