R33 Gts-t Abs Installation

[Aidan]

Hey guys, recently purchased a Series 2 R33 GTS-T but it didn't come with ABS. Was wondering if anyones fitted the ABS system into there non-ABS car before and if so, could someone list the components I'll need for the install.

Cheers

[2LV8ETR]

Correct me if I'm wrong guys, but I'm of the impression that ABS was installed on the AWD models, namely the Gts-4 and the GT-R.

[Aidan]

I'm pretty sure it was optional on all models. Anyone clarify?

[blind_elk]

ABS is for idiots who don't know how to brake safely. As Skyline owners and drivers, we are better than that, aren't we?

Just because the car doesn't have ABS doesn't mean it's not safe to drive.

Simply learn threshhold braking.

[Aidan]

ABS is for idiots who don't know how to brake safely. As Skyline owners and drivers, we are better than that, aren't we?

Just because the car doesn't have ABS doesn't mean it's not safe to drive.

Simply learn threshhold braking.

Cheers mate. Will have do some research and start learning.

[SLY33]

ABS is for idiots who don't know how to brake safely. As Skyline owners and drivers, we are better than that, aren't we?

Just because the car doesn't have ABS doesn't mean it's not safe to drive.

Simply learn threshhold braking.

try an emergency brake situation in the wet, are you saying youd prefer no ABS? As for the idiots, plenty of them owning and driving skylines, no offence to anyone in particular, but we all know its true

[scathing]

Power assisted brakes and steering are for poofs. Enthusiast drivers want no corruption in feel from the control devices. Harden up everyone.

Don't even start me on throttle modulation.

[nisskid]

suspension is for pussies, good drivers drive with solid mounted wheels, learn to drive ffs.

[blind_elk]

try an emergency brake situation in the wet, are you saying youd prefer no ABS?

Probably.

I've had the car since 2000. Only ever activated the ABS 2, maybe 3, times. 1st time was on the track. I got by for a long time without ABS, having learned threshhold braking at an advanced driving course.

Drive within the conditions.

Concentrate

Anticipate

React

You shouldn't need ABS.

[nisskid]

Probably.

I've had the car since 2000. Only ever activated the ABS 2, maybe 3, times. 1st time was on the track. I got by for a long time without ABS, having learned threshhold braking at an advanced driving course.

Drive within the conditions.

Concentrate

Anticipate

React

You shouldn't need ABS.

lol f**king lol

u think one advanced driving course will make u perfectly modulate ur brakes in a emergency situation? seriously?

u need multiple track days to even begin to build up any sort of subconcious skill, ive done plenty of track days, plenty of practice modulating brakes on the track. but still, in a emergency situation i will still sometimes lock up brakes. does that mean im not a competant driver?

[SLY33]

^^edit: what he said

Well it may be the case that you "shouldnt" need abs. But the definition of the word "accident" dictates that it may not be a bad idea to have it there.

You could be the best driver in the world, and not see the light gravel or debry on a patch of road as you are braking into a corner. If you're driving at the limits and suddenly get a lock up, it would be not unlikely to have an off. Anything is possible, even the best drivers in the world have died on the road/track. Im not saying no ABS will kill you, but be realistic here. Situations are rarely "perfect", and even the best concentration anticipation reaction is not always enough.

You guys preaching that ABS is for idiots and people that cant drive may be very talented track stars and always drive within the conditions, but there are those people that think they are, but in reality are probably not.

By the way ive had my 33GTS-t without abs for almost ten years so im not biased there

Edited June 4, 2009 by SLY33

[scathing]

I got by for a long time without ABS, having learned threshhold braking at an advanced driving course.

Lots of people have gotten by without ABS, but it doesn't mean they don't appreciate having it there.

As an aside, how do you know you're threshold braking to the maximum of your car's ability? Chances are you're allowing a safety margin, as any "competent driver" would for any system without a failsafe, which means you're not stopping as quickly as you could be. Which, on the track, means you're not going as quickly as you can be.

On the street, as guys said in the other thread, you're not always 100% focused on driving with no tiredness or distraction. Nor do you always have perfect visibility and consistent conditions to prepare for an emergency situation.

As an aside, skills only stay sharp if they're learned and practiced every day. Trained reflexes fade with inactivity. It's a flaw that all humans have. The only way you're going to be able to have lightning quick reflexes and be able to threshold brake / swerve & recover instantaneously over varying surfaces in a range of conditions is to do it all the time. If you're driving like that on the street (where most people in the real world do most of their driving), you shouldn't have a license.

Electronics don't have this issue. You don't have to trigger ABS all the time for it to keep working as well as when it left the factory, and maintaining the system doesn't require you to do retarded things on the street.

As an aside, why did you buy a AWD car? A driving purist such as yourself shouldn't need it.

[Aidan]

Thanks for all the comments guys. Much appreciated. TBH, the reason I was looking at getting the ABS installed was because I actually had a bit of a spinout...the day I got the car. Lucky there was no damage. I was stupid/reckless and totally forgot I wasn't in my Sonata. Came onto boost around a corner, back end slid out heaps, I counter steered and braked, but I assume my brakes must have locked up cos the car did a full 180 and landed in a ditch beside the road. Gave me a bit of a scare and so im now looking at mostly handling mods, rather than getting more power. ABS seemed like the first good choice.

If anyone has ripped there ABS out and can give me a list of what I'll need, that would be awesome.

Cheers

[SLY33]

Hi Mate, from what you describe it sounds like power oversteer, where you'd already fully lost traction at the rear and the momentum would probably have spun you round ABS or no ABS. But still i think its a valuable system to have on a street car. If your successful with your install i may consider it on mine.

[2LV8ETR]

Came onto boost around a corner, back end slid out heaps, I counter steered and braked.

Wrong move.

Because you've moved to a more powerful vehicle with an LSD, I can only suggest that you keep and eye on the forums for the next driver training course that's held at AHG. They will teach you what to do in situations like this.

They are usually posted in the WA events forum. It's usually about $60-70 and you take your own car.

[nisskid]

Thanks for all the comments guys. Much appreciated. TBH, the reason I was looking at getting the ABS installed was because I actually had a bit of a spinout...the day I got the car. Lucky there was no damage. I was stupid/reckless and totally forgot I wasn't in my Sonata. Came onto boost around a corner, back end slid out heaps, I counter steered and braked, but I assume my brakes must have locked up cos the car did a full 180 and landed in a ditch beside the road. Gave me a bit of a scare and so im now looking at mostly handling mods, rather than getting more power. ABS seemed like the first good choice.

If anyone has ripped there ABS out and can give me a list of what I'll need, that would be awesome.

Cheers

not an ABS issue, if anything locking up the front can sometimes help in that situation.

by putting ur foot on the brake ur throwing the car's balance out, can be helpful in a drift situation done well, but unless u know what ur doing its almost always going to make the situation worse.

my advice is to get urself out to a few grip and drift days, both will teach u different skills, both very valuable.

btw, imo driver training is useless for those kind of situations, they will teach u things that you can use in day to day driving, but as far as heavy situations ur subconcious takes over and does the work for you, one day of driver training will not train ur subconcious, only repeated days at the track practicing it all will.

[scathing]

The driving style between FWD and RWD is very different.

I read a similar comment on the 350Z forums. People who came out of FWD, and used to being able to power through a wet roundabout and riding the understeer, were looping their cars.

ABS wouldn't actually save you there since your problems occurred well before you hit the brakes. If you want an electronic nanny you'd need stability control, which I'd guess would be impossible to retrofit.

[2LV8ETR]

btw, imo driver training is useless for those kind of situations, they will teach u things that you can use in day to day driving, but as far as heavy situations ur subconcious takes over and does the work for you, one day of driver training will not train ur subconcious, only repeated days at the track practicing it all will.

BTW IMO any training for someone who has none will improve his skills and reactions more than someone who has not had any.

Over here in WA we can't just rock up to a track and do a hundred laps to improve ourselves, we need a CAMS license. Then you have to wait until a tuner day becomes available, not to mention the joining fee for the WASCC to be eligible for the tuning days. If you want to use the track, the minimum fee is $3500 for a weekday and $4500 for a weekend day.

The AHG driver course will improve his skills and understanding. You've never done one over here, so for you to comment that he won't learn anything is wrong, he will learn something.

Events such as these CLICK 1 and CLICK 2 are exactly what he needs.

I don't know what you've got in SA but it sounds pretty good, I may have to move over there if that's the case.

[_bobo_]

i have a 96 s2 r33...i think they came out in 97 onward models not 100%...

do a advance driving course like MURCOTTS and they teach you how to control your car using threshold braking..

while there you can see that a car with no abs can still stop the same as a car with abs if you know the right point to hold the pedal where it doesnt lock up the wheels and still have control of the car,

[nisskid]

BTW IMO any training for someone who has none will improve his skills and reactions more than someone who has not had any.

Over here in WA we can't just rock up to a track and do a hundred laps to improve ourselves, we need a CAMS license. Then you have to wait until a tuner day becomes available, not to mention the joining fee for the WASCC to be eligible for the tuning days. If you want to use the track, the minimum fee is $3500 for a weekday and $4500 for a weekend day.

The AHG driver course will improve his skills and understanding. You've never done one over here, so for you to comment that he won't learn anything is wrong, he will learn something.

Events such as these CLICK 1 and CLICK 2 are exactly what he needs.

I don't know what you've got in SA but it sounds pretty good, I may have to move over there if that's the case.

its exactly t the same over here, u need a CAMS license over here too, u can get a temp one on the day, same cost for the track, split it between 10 people and uve got $350ea.

i never said driver training was useless, i said in an emergency situation when ur relying on ur subconcious, one track day wont do a lot. it will how ever help u while you can conciously think about what ur doing.