Greeces13 Rb26 11.2sec In A Very Bad Strip And Big Accident!

[[WLDCRD]]

I don't clicked the s2000!

My front bumper doesn't have nothing...

the s2k had already started to swerve to try to avoid you. At 5mins in that video you will see this image and the sound of you touching the s2k

[9krpm]

Well that would explain why the car was wobbling the rear end all over the place, Thats the reason why ANDRA specify a cross ply front trye must be used if on slicks going faster than i think 12 secs or is it 12.5?

Yes I am thinking the same thing.

Greece, if you have a Nismo 2 way diff then the accident could have been avoided with better brake control. I speculate that you left it too late to back off the throttle, panicked and then slamped on the brake when the rear end lost control. This just sent all of the weight to the front of an aldready heavy front ended set up and spun the car out of control. You should stiffen up the front suspension rather than put the stock front suspension back in.

[GreeceS13]

Ok guys that is what I want.. to help me to optimise the car.. not to tell me that I am killer!!

zebra can you explain me better what are front cross ply tyres? I search it a little and I read that it is very important to run theese tires with slicks.. but I don't have slicks... I have Mickey Thompson ET Streets... They are like slicks.. they haven't metalic fibres for sidewall..

[WLDCRD]

If the S2000 continue the race she didn't have any problem.. I didn't touch her!

My front bumper hasn't any scratches! So how I touch her?

S2000 driver is a girl!!!! And we are in the same drag team :| :|

9krpm

Yes you are right!

If I leave it earlier it would be ok..

But I looose the car control because of the bumps of the street.

So you think that it is ok to have front stiff coilovers...

I also don't have front anti sway bar!! As I read at usa drag forums in every rwd they put off the antisway bar! Is it ok?

7.5 psi is very low?

The previous run was again with 7.5psi and was ok.. at the previous run I did the 11.2!

Maybe the tire pressure was less because I didn't check the tyre pressure before the run and it was night.. 7.5 was after hours that was the sun up! I protected both tires from the sun with boxes to don't have different pressures in the tires!

[Jet30]

Drag tyres and radials? *face palm* idiot

[Walk510]

if some people read some things before posting they may be a little better informed

Mickey Thompson ET Street Radial Drag Tires yes Radial

http://www.jegs.com/p/Mickey-Thompson/Mick...753925/10002/-1

when i first watched the vids i though they were slicks without front runners and thought that was recipe for trouble but then read in the greeces13 sig and read he runs MT et's

i think parts of the Gibb River road in WA were flatter than that track

but at the end of the day thats racing you take it to the track where there is the support there is something go's wrong in this case it did

Edited July 12, 2009 by Walk510

[GreeceS13]

Walk510

My rears aren't the same as you have in the url that you post...

My rears are theese

So I need front runners or not?

[zebra]

I am 99% sure those tyres are cross ply...which means yes you will need cross ply fron runners

seen here - http://mickeythompsontires.com/strip.php?item=ETFront

[Walk510]

ok then im quite sure you should be running front runners

as a friend ran these on his 32 with ran the front and said it scary at speed with those tyres

the radials are quite common on big hp street cars

[dangerman4]

[WLDCRD]

If the S2000 continue the race she didn't have any problem.. I didn't touch her!

My front bumper hasn't any scratches! So how I touch her?

S2000 driver is a girl!!!! And we are in the same drag team :| :|

are you saying that if she went straight ahead then she would have been fine and only you would have crashed?

i agree with whats been mentioned before there is a noise at around 5 minutes and you can also see the side skirt on the honda move when theres contact. yea maybe only minor contact, but when both your cars are allready off balance you dont ned much.

you car fish tales at least 4 times before you back off and hit the brakes. why is this?

[9krpm]

GreeceS13, yes the sway bar will help to reduce rear movement.

I put stiffer sway bar in one of my track cars (s2000) to reduce oversteer.

Edited July 12, 2009 by 9krpm

[GTR-32U]

Is it just me or does the track look like a lumpy Piece of crap ? From the first video it really looks like the track is some skanky Alleyway with all the lumps and bumps in it. Certainly not safe enough for a 10 sec car

[GreeceS13]

zebra

As I understand my tires aren't radials... they are et street model... not et street radials!

And as I read is bias ply! Like cross ply..!

So i need front runners? But why? I see also

.. but I cannot understand why I cannot run with front radials..

The videο looks like with my video haha!

dangerman4

I don't know what exatly is this sound.. but you can definatly see that she turn it left before I came closer.

9krpm

I said that I don't have front sway bar!

I have only the rear sway bar.. the stock!

GTR-32U

Yeah!! It was like a motocross strip

And in theese crazy scare strip try to run also some top fuel cars and motos.. see them following haha.

Some of them don't run after his first run!

Also read hear about my tires http://mickeythompsontires.com/strip.php?item=ETStreet

Theese tires needs tubes.. but the seller told me tha tubes needs very heavy vehicles and my vehicle don't need tubes!

[zebra]

Greeces13 - If I were you Id start to do a little more research before racing again, have a look for some US drag racing websites.

I thought you figured out why you cant run radials on the front and cross plys on the rear...due to the fact that you lost control of the car.....radials have WAY more cornering grip that cross plys, So instead of having even grip at the front an rear of the car, you have massive front end grip and next to zero at the back...this is half the reason you spun.

As for tubes in the tyres if they are reccomended by M/T then why the hell did the guy that sold them to you tell you, you dont need them???

Is it just me or is everybody else getting the feeling that there are ZERO saftey regs over there?

[GT-RZ]

You know bumps and bounces don't mix too well with a drag setup car... that is soft suspension and low pressure tyres. pointless comparing them to a rally car that is designed for it.

end of the day what was the recommended tire pressure for them tires? not 7.5psi. That's where the major mistake was had. Anyone else try to keep control of there car at high speed with practically flat tires... i hope not. There is a difference between lowering pressure to allow some sidewall flex and ensuring a flat footprint and deflating them so they don't work at all.

The second major mistake and the potentially lethal mistake for you both is directly your fault. You almost killed someone as well as yourself never mind the damage to their car. When you started to wobble all over you should have backed off immediately.

The track did look craphouse i agree but what you did could have netted the same result on any strip.

At least you did it on a strip and not the street which is why your posting to us, not like plenty of others who can't who are frontpage news.

[Beer Baron]

you car fish tales at least 4 times before you back off and hit the brakes. why is this?

I can tell you why. it's called a tank slapper and is caused by a number of things, the biggest of which is poor car control. basically over reacting and slow reacting. instead of making a small correction to both the throttle and the steering wheel you can see he jumps off the throttle which unsettles the car and then (too late) has a big tug of the wheel. hence the tank slapper which builds in momentum until he's into the wall.

I bet the S2000 driver wishes she was a few 1/10ths fast then she would have been out of his path of destruction... shame your accident also wrecked someone elses car whether you tagged it or not.

the reason you don't run radial tyres with ply tyres is not really to do with different levels of grip. it's because of the different construction of the tyres. bias ply or cross ply tyres have very soft sidewalls and very little lateral grip. running them with radial tyres on the front can cause problems with getting the car to run straight.

I would suggest going back to the ET street RADIALS. for some practice, then perhaps down the track go back to a bias ply or cross ply drag slick with the appropriate front runners to match. with more practice and some more experience your car control will improve and hopefully nothing like this will happen again.

[Marko R1]

I can tell you why. it's called a tank slapper and is caused by a number of things, the biggest of which is poor car control. basically over reacting and slow reacting. instead of making a small correction to both the throttle and the steering wheel you can see he jumps off the throttle which unsettles the car and then (too late) has a big tug of the wheel. hence the tank slapper which builds in momentum until he's into the wall.

I bet the S2000 driver wishes she was a few 1/10ths fast then she would have been out of his path of destruction... shame your accident also wrecked someone elses car whether you tagged it or not.

the reason you don't run radial tyres with ply tyres is not really to do with different levels of grip. it's because of the different construction of the tyres. bias ply or cross ply tyres have very soft sidewalls and very little lateral grip. running them with radial tyres on the front can cause problems with getting the car to run straight.

I would suggest going back to the ET street RADIALS. for some practice, then perhaps down the track go back to a bias ply or cross ply drag slick with the appropriate front runners to match. with more practice and some more experience your car control will improve and hopefully nothing like this will happen again.

ive had a few tank slappers on my bikes doin between 100-200km/h & it is frightening!

same as a skateboard when gets in a death wobbler...when this happens u hang on & hope for it to end.

[Marko R1]

I didn't touch her!

My front bumper hasn't any scratches! So how I touch her?

S2000 driver is a girl!!!! And we are in the same drag team :| :|

ella rrre - is your friend a good sort

[too_much_boost]

Agreed. Pics of girl please

[9krpm]

zebra

As I understand my tires aren't radials... they are et street model... not et street radials!

And as I read is bias ply! Like cross ply..!

So i need front runners? But why? I see also

.. but I cannot understand why I cannot run with front radials..

The videο looks like with my video haha!

9krpm

I said that I don't have front sway bar!

I have only the rear sway bar.. the stock!

That video cracked me up but what you replied about the sway bar gives me the impression that you should certainly need to research more into car handling.

You don't wack a heavier engine into the front, remove the front sway bar and expect the car to be stable.

I read what you posted buddy. Without a sway bar at the front your car is even worst than having a stock or soft sway bar! I think you need to read a bit more into suspension tuning.

I wont' even ask what wheel alignment you had on the car.

[UWISSH!]

Ok guys thanks for your good words for me.

Do you believe that I wanted to do it?

It was semifinal race of the championship at "Street RWD-4WD".

You will stop from the 1/8?

I continue the race as everyone would continue.

I was ok and I had the control of the car since I push the brakes. At the last cone was the end of the race... I hit the brakes 60 foots before the end because I was feel uncomfortable with my car.

But with the brakes the car starts to make drift.

In a good strip there is glue in all 1/4 mile.

In a good strip there is really good glue at the first foots so if I was in a good strip I didn't run with 7.5psi at my tires.

In a good strip there aren't bumps!!! If there aren'ts bumps my car wouldn't do like a ballerine!!

I understand that the strip is shit at my first run... and this run was the 6th!

That was my fault.... that I continue to do the "stunt man".

S2000 run 26x11.5x16 I run 26x11.5x15 .... Ofcourse S2000 is more stable!

S2000 had coilovers front and rear.

I had coilovers front and stock rear... maybe this was wrong too... maybe I must run with stocks front and rear!

so winning the race is more important than your life/ the other racers life and both of your cars?????