M35 Stagea Vs Ve Sportwagon

[lilcrash]

RBNT: no the stag isn't my first turbo car

I can't comment on other peoples views but in my honest opinion as slow as the stag is for the money they cost to buy I'm by no means happy with the power, I bought my stag as a comfortable daily driver. It had comfortable seats and will handle the occasional trip to Ikea/jb hifi to get bigger objects. That's the only reason I bought it. When I was bored one day I went and test drove an ss wagon and I have told you of my opinion. It feels like your driving a camry station wagon. By no means is it what a v8 should be but the Holden badge says it all. I do have to say the exhaust sounded beautiful which is rare for an injected v8.

I know that there are people who will never admit that an I4 can beat an v8 and we have seen a few of then in this thread. Point being that to get a commodore to do a 12 sec quarter you can either pay the $170000 for a new walkinshaw 427 or spend alot of money on a standard ss. Now honestly I'm sure plenty of you have seen 4s and 6s do 12s for as little as $5000 including buying the car. V8s are old technology. Now I know I've gotten away from the point and so sorry.

Now you can all go back to the belief that a commodore is faster then a stagea

[Jetwreck]

I typed this response three times before I got a clean one....what a waist of time!!!.....but I don't suffer fools gladly!!

Your right I'm an idiot as are the other 99% of this thread.....next time I want to buy or build a car to beat a 2009 spec car I'll just go out and buy a $10,000 near standard C34 Stagea.

Thanks for your advice!...you've saved me a lot of money.

Hey you got a chrome extension on that C34?

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

RBNT: no the stag isn't my first turbo car

I can't comment on other peoples views but in my honest opinion as slow as the stag is for the money they cost to buy I'm by no means happy with the power, I bought my stag as a comfortable daily driver. It had comfortable seats and will handle the occasional trip to Ikea/jb hifi to get bigger objects. That's the only reason I bought it. When I was bored one day I went and test drove an ss wagon and I have told you of my opinion. It feels like your driving a camry station wagon. By no means is it what a v8 should be but the Holden badge says it all. I do have to say the exhaust sounded beautiful which is rare for an injected v8.

I know that there are people who will never admit that an I4 can beat an v8 and we have seen a few of then in this thread. Point being that to get a commodore to do a 12 sec quarter you can either pay the $170000 for a new walkinshaw 427 or spend alot of money on a standard ss. Now honestly I'm sure plenty of you have seen 4s and 6s do 12s for as little as $5000 including buying the car. V8s are old technology. Now I know I've gotten away from the point and so sorry.

Now you can all go back to the belief that a commodore is faster then a stagea

OK nummers.

Ive owned a modded RS4 and it wouldnt go close to an SS. Ive also owned a stock 260, this would not go close either (its a weight thing, they are a slug when standard). Now chuck a TT kit on the SS and you will see 11s straight away, this can be done for $10k or less. Now I went and modded the bejesus out of the 260 and got it down to a fairly respectable 11.7 down the quarter.

To settle this, get your RS4 to the strip and get a slip. Find someone with a stock SS and do the same. Be a man and stick up the evidence here.

[lilcrash]

Im quite happy to go get a time slip. Gives me one more reason to race my wife. When I get a time slip I will pm it to both of you. Just for informations sake I didn't come in here to cause problems I simply voiced my opinion as you have.

Edit: would a ss ute be a suitable comparison? , I've got a friend with one or a guy at work has a hsv clubsport would you prefer a comparison with that?

[Jetwreck]

bring it

[lilcrash]

can i just ask why both of you are so angry that someone has written a review stating that the m35 is better then the ve sportswagon?? now your pissed at me because i stated that in my own experiences i found the c34 to be better then the ss wagon. you are nissan drivers or i would asume you are being that your on a nissan forum. the ss wagon would probably be a sufficient soccer mom type car, but with the $60k price tag 2nd hand i just cant see how its a viable choice of car being that its like $1k a year rego plus im guessing somewhere between $1-2k insurance, heavy on fuel and the holden v8s have had various recalls over the past few years. which is pretty much what was said in the review, value for money gets handed easily to the m35.

oh and a correction from before, my bosses car isnt a typhoon its just got the typhoon ecu and intercooler.

[andy65b]

can i just ask why both of you are so angry that someone has written a review stating that the m35 is better then the ve sportswagon?? now your pissed at me because i stated that in my own experiences i found the c34 to be better then the ss wagon. you are nissan drivers or i would asume you are being that your on a nissan forum. the ss wagon would probably be a sufficient soccer mom type car, but with the $60k price tag 2nd hand i just cant see how its a viable choice of car being that its like $1k a year rego plus im guessing somewhere between $1-2k insurance, heavy on fuel and the holden v8s have had various recalls over the past few years. which is pretty much what was said in the review, value for money gets handed easily to the m35.

oh and a correction from before, my bosses car isnt a typhoon its just got the typhoon ecu and intercooler.

All they want is accurate information and I agree that you are suffering under some heavily biased thoughts to think that any Stagea in stock form is faster than the SS Sportswagon.

A M35 will not do 0-100 in 5.6s in stock form. It will do about 6.5.

Wrong facts from your comment above.

1) The rego cost does not vary by age of car but by weight. So why do you highlight rego cost when this would be the same for both cars.

2) $1-2k a year insurance would be cheaper to insure than most Stagea's given the relative worth of the cars that you are insuring. The Holden would be cheaper to insure than my Stagea for business use I am quite sure. And my car is worth only about $24k

I have read lots of posts from both these guys and I know they are both Nissan lovers but they are quite realistic about performance and know the difference between fact and fiction and this is where this whole thing started.

The performance of a SS Sportswagon is bloody good. But I still would not buy a Holden or a Ford if I could possibly avoid it.

I have held my opinion but your are not listening to what they are saying.

[mym35]

All they want is accurate information and I agree that you are suffering under some heavily biased thoughts to think that any Stagea in stock form is faster than the SS Sportswagon.

A M35 will not do 0-100 in 5.6s in stock form. It will do about 6.5.

Wrong facts from your comment above.

1) The rego cost does not vary by age of car but by weight. So why do you highlight rego cost when this would be the same for both cars.

2) $1-2k a year insurance would be cheaper to insure than most Stagea's given the relative worth of the cars that you are insuring. The Holden would be cheaper to insure than my Stagea for business use I am quite sure. And my car is worth only about $24k

I have read lots of posts from both these guys and I know they are both Nissan lovers but they are quite realistic about performance and know the difference between fact and fiction and this is where this whole thing started.

The performance of a SS Sportswagon is bloody good. But I still would not buy a Holden or a Ford if I could possibly avoid it.

I have held my opinion but your are not listening to what they are saying.

correction... Qld transport also charge by number of cylinders

e.g holden ve ss wagon $974

STAGEA M35 $808

[andy65b]

correction... Qld transport also charge by number of cylinders

e.g holden ve ss wagon $974

STAGEA M35 $808

thank you for the correction..... Facts are what we like.

(I just noticed that I said AGE of car,,, I meant COST)

Edited December 16, 2009 by andy65b

[iamhe77]

Current favourite thread

Looking forward to seeing your drag time "lilcrash".... actually, do you think it would be possible to video your drag with the VE SS and post it on youtube?

Edited December 16, 2009 by iamhe77

[pixel8r]

Ive owned a modded RS4 and it wouldnt go close to an SS. Ive also owned a stock 260, this would not go close either (its a weight thing, they are a slug when standard). Now chuck a TT kit on the SS and you will see 11s straight away, this can be done for $10k or less. Now I went and modded the bejesus out of the 260 and got it down to a fairly respectable 11.7 down the quarter.

isn't the 260 capable of doing a 13.x second 1/4 mile? Thats gotta be quicker than the SS sportwagon. The sportwagon weighs a good 100+ kg MORE than the stagea...

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

I ran mine with an exhaust, 17psi and a PFC. With a full blooded launch I managed a 12.7. A stocker running 8psi is incredibly slow, not too much quicker than a booseted RS4.

[mad082]

ahahaha, this thread is gold. gotta love threads like this.

ok here's a few facts about the falcon (as i saw a falcon was mentioned above).

my sister in law's ex had a ba xr6t (the 240kw ATC ones). put it on the dyno stock as a rock and it made 185kw. got a flash tune for it (12psi and a generic tune, wasn't tuned specifically for his car, so still plenty of power to be made. no other mods other than the ecu) and it made 223kw. now i have been in this thing with the boost only at 9psi and it hauls. yes they are a heavy car but the torque is astounding. it would've beaten my 200kw r33.

as for the statement about how it is hard to get a commodore to run 12's, well actually it isn't. when i was at the drags a while back i went up against a mild vy hsv and it ran a low 12. also i know of a guy in town with a twin turbo vn 5.0L running stock internals making around 260kw at the wheels. and most of the new 6.0L commodores will get into the 12's with just an exhaust system.

also someone said that the v8 would be better off the line because of more toqrue. that's far from the truth. more torque = more wheelspin. yes once the v8 is up and moving it will go better, but by that time the smaller engine will be up and moving as well so there is little difference.

[chad bob]

Im friggin confused:

Initially this thread was comparing a VE sports wagon with an M35

NOT a VE SS sportswagon!

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think an SS VE is a wee bit faster than a VE sportswagon in standard v8 trim.

[pixel8r]

Im friggin confused:

Initially this thread was comparing a VE sports wagon with an M35

NOT a VE SS sportswagon!

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think an SS VE is a wee bit faster than a VE sportswagon in standard v8 trim.

Sorry mate, that confusion may be my fault for not labelling this thread correctly. The article mentioned in the first post does indeed speak of the SS version.

Note the SS is the v8 (270kw), whereas the base model sportwagon is a v6 (now with direct injection as of the MY10 model = 210kw).

You are correct the v8 is a lot faster than the v6. I would expect the M35 to sit somewhere between the v6 and v8 sportwagons, although leaning much more towards the v6...

[Angus Smart]

Ok i have a near stock m35.. tyres are the only thing changed..

using Race chrono tonite i will test via gps what the stagea can and can not do...

i am also using my nokia n95 8gb with an external gps receiver to acheive more accurate results.. (and not to have the nokia flying off the dash as i launch him.)

[pixel8r]

Ok i have a near stock m35.. tyres are the only thing changed..

using Race chrono tonite i will test via gps what the stagea can and can not do...

i am also using my nokia n95 8gb with an external gps receiver to acheive more accurate results.. (and not to have the nokia flying off the dash as i launch him.)

How accurate is the gps when you're accelerating rapidly? I know they're pretty accurate when you're sitting on constant speed but I dont know if I'd trust my satnav speed readout when I'm accelerating...

Am interested to see the results though.

[Angus Smart]

Q: How accurate are the performance test times?

A: According to our experience, GPS suits much better for lap timing than performance tests. Performance testing has a problem with standing starts and most consumer Bluetooth GPS receivers. In addition to slight inaccuracy due to receiver’s refresh rate, a standing start estimation can be half a second too late, due to “static navigation” feature in most GPS devices. This means your test results might be too fast if your receiver has static navigation. Tests with flying start work much better, for example the 80-120 km/h test. In performance testing GPS-signal is very important. Unfortunately it is very difficult to detect bad signal in performance testing, other than inspecting the sensibility of the results and the graphs. We are constantly developing the features to ease the situation.

so its a rough idea. i'll wait till i have as many satellites connected as possible. the external receiver should give better results also..

[Angus Smart]

2 runs done. ac on and heat.

0-100 no less than 9.9

0-60 9.1

8th mile in 10.9

60' 2.9

1/4 mile . didnt want to break law..

so 5.6 has some serious mods... boost or whatever.. or my car is sick..? real times could come down slightly but i suspect not by much at all..

heat, and ac would be contenders to bring it down a little more. but meh leather and ac all the way!

[andy65b]

2 runs done. ac on and heat.

0-100 no less than 9.9

0-60 9.1

8th mile in 10.9

60' 2.9

1/4 mile . didnt want to break law..

so 5.6 has some serious mods... boost or whatever.. or my car is sick..? real times could come down slightly but i suspect not by much at all..

heat, and ac would be contenders to bring it down a little more. but meh leather and ac all the way!

Hi Andrew

I tend to think that yesterday would be a bad example of what your car could do. The temperate was way too high to have the turbo operating efficiently.

I do recall Jetwreck did some tests when his car was still on the standard turbo and he was gettign around 6.5sec. This was timed by passenger.

Cheers

Andy