Turbo On P

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Hey mate, wait its not worth the hassle getting caught!

Last year on my greens got pulled over for RBT driving the gtst...

7 demerit points

3 months suspension

400$ was not to sure what the fine was for I think pod filter ? + driving prohibited vehicle

public transport was a bitch for those 3 months... plus you have to wait 3 whole months more before you can get your full license...

I've been on my fulls since last aug haven't been pulled over or stopped once...

mine wasnt quiet that bad, i got my gtst a week b4 i got off my green Ps to fulls... stupid i know cuz i had 2 drive to work n home 4 7 days... 3 days after getting my full licence i got pulled over on my way 2 work4 an rbt, i was like jeeeeeeeeeeez!!! so luckly i learnt that way n not while still on a restricted licence

[4teecal]

I took my quote directly from the RTA website. One could argue that an institution as efficient as the RTA may or may not update there site that often though

Never trust websites. I go straight to to relevent act or regulation and read the law in black and white. I know it is accurate.

[scathing]

Nope, sorry it has not been changed.

ORLY?

From here:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettin...ons.html?llid=4

Engine performance modifications that require an engineers' certificate.

That page is the "P1 and P2 license conditions" page, if you click on Licensing off the RTA's home page and then select the link with that name.

I took my quote directly from the RTA website. One could argue that an institution as efficient as the RTA may or may not update there site that often though

What's the URL for the page you read? How did you navigate there?

I have, however, seen conflicting and/or misleading information on several pages on the RTA's web site in the past. Especially if it gets Googled, and the search engine deep links to pages that have been "decommissioned" but not removed from the production site. You can't get to these pages via following links from the RTA's home page since the data is no longer current, but as they're still on the server they're still accessible if you know the direct URL (or a search engine does).

It's sloppy web design, but then they are the RTA.

[Cassbo]

What's the URL for the page you read? How did you navigate there?

I have, however, seen conflicting and/or misleading information on several pages on the RTA's web site in the past. Especially if it gets Googled, and the search engine deep links to pages that have been "decommissioned" but not removed from the production site. You can't get to these pages via following links from the RTA's home page since the data is no longer current, but as they're still on the server they're still accessible if you know the direct URL (or a search engine does).

It's sloppy web design, but then they are the RTA.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettin.../200707_p2.html

Yeah, navigated there using google from work...

In either case, it doesn't really matter... As 4teecal said, while the information on the RTA website should be accurate we should probably count it as not

[4teecal]

Road Transport (Driver Licensing) Regulation 2008

Current version for 28 September 2009 to date (accessed 27 December 2009 at 14:48)

Part 3Division 2Subdivision 3Clause 32 << page >>

32 High performance vehicle restrictions

(cf cl 15B 1999 Reg)

(1) In addition to any other conditions that may be attached to a provisional licence, such a licence (other than a motorcycle licence) is subject to the condition that the holder must not drive a high performance vehicle.

(2) For the purposes of this clause, a high performance vehicle is a vehicle:

(a) with an engine having 8 or more cylinders, or

(b) the engine of which is turbocharged or supercharged (other than a diesel powered vehicle), or

© that has had any substantial modification made to the engine of the vehicle to increase the performance of the vehicle (not being a modification made by the manufacturer of the vehicle in the course of manufacture of the vehicle), or

(d) that has had any modification made to the vehicle that is listed for the time being in the Authority’s publication Novice Driver—High performance vehicle restrictions as a high performance modification for the purposes of this clause, or

(e) that is listed for the time being in the Authority’s publication Novice Driver—High performance vehicle restrictions as a high performance vehicle for the purposes of this clause.

(3) A vehicle is not a high performance vehicle for the purposes of this clause if it is listed for the time being in the Authority’s publication Novice Driver—High performance vehicle restrictions as a vehicle that is not a high performance vehicle.

(4) This clause applies only to a provisional licence issued after 16 December 2005 and applies only if:

(a) the person to whom the licence is issued had not held a provisional licence at any time before that date, or

(b) the person to whom the licence is issued had held a provisional licence at a time before that date and the licence issued after that date is issued after a disqualification for an offence committed on or after 11 July 2005.

(5) Nothing in subclause (4) affects a condition imposed on a provisional licence under clause 15B of the Road Transport (Driver Licensing) Regulation 1999 on or before 16 December 2005.

(6) The Authority’s publication Novice Drivers—High Performance Vehicle Restrictions is to be published on the Authority’s website and is to be available for perusal free of charge at each motor registry.

[scathing]

© that has had any substantial modification made to the engine of the vehicle to increase the performance of the vehicle (not being a modification made by the manufacturer of the vehicle in the course of manufacture of the vehicle)

The problem becomes the definition of what counts as "substantial".

Unless you're driving a Honda or a Pulsar, a properly boxed pod filter isn't going to give you a massive performance increase (we all know if you have a piss-small 4 banger FWD POS then a sick DRIFT pod filter will have you blowing the doors off GTS-ts ) but for the rest of us that wouldn't count as giving a "substantial performance increase. Neither would an axle-back muffler, etc.

Where do you draw the line at "minor" vs "substantial"?

I figured that the revision of the rule, as per my link (which was updated in the last 6-12 months since I noticed the wording changed earlier this year), to nominate mods that require an engineer's cert was a laymans-term clarification of the above.

Of course the average idiot working the RTA wouldn't know their arse hole from their ear hole so, as others have said, I'd get it in writing from the RTA that its OK before doing powertrain mods while on my P's.

Edited December 27, 2009 by scathing

[DELLER]

I don't know, I understand why the rta has this law, there's alot of people on there P's, And having that much power can be dangours, The only way i know is because i do have a turbo car myself, But on the other hand it is fun when you do go for a drive

[4teecal]

Where do you draw the line at "minor" vs "substantial"?

It would have to be determined by a court.

[NZM.031]

I don't know, I understand why the rta has this law, there's alot of people on there P's, And having that much power can be dangours, The only way i know is because i do have a turbo car myself, But on the other hand it is fun when you do go for a drive

thats exactly the reason why the rta has the law.. on a public road... the speed limit is the speed limit... it doesnt matter whether youve got a fun car with 300kw or a shopping trolley with 30kw.. all cars can do the set speed limit so why should a p plater require a turbo car??

cricket is fun to play on the road aswell.. but its a dumb and dangerous thing to do, there are proper places to play the game and its the same with cars.. the public road is not really the place to "have fun" in a turbo car.. there is nothing stopping the OP from getting a track car and a tow vehicle and going to the race track.. the road is not for games, its a place for you and everyone else to get from one point to another, safely.

[skins]

We all understand what the RTA is trying to do with P plater's and turbo cars. What I can't get at the moment is yes restrict high performance cars to people with little road experience but let them drive turbo diesel's as they don't have as much power. I can't think of any of the top of my head but there are some turbo diesel's that put out some decent / outstanding power. We should be saying yes you can drive a car and here it is a 200b for your first 2 years. No power steering, no power brakes, no lsd, no anti lock brakes, sips, air bags, gps, driver aids nothing. That way they know when the tyres are loosing traction, know when they are over braking and gives them a true feel / feeedback from the drive. Interesting point was raised a while ago ( although it was on tv so it must be true ) was that the safest driver's on the road are the P platers as they remember all the road rules compared with drivers of verying ages.

Either that or those 6 beers are kickin in.

[zebra]

Interesting point was raised a while ago ( although it was on tv so it must be true ) was that the safest driver's on the road are the P platers as they remember all the road rules compared with drivers of verying ages.

Just because they can reverse parallel park and tell you what some obscure road sign means doesnt mean they can drive.

I can fly a rocket to the moon on paper...doesnt mean i can jump in a space shuttle and fang around the galaxy

[D_I_F]

I wouldn't even bother getting a turbo car. NA is just as much fun and no insurance company will cover you at such a young age. Especially since you are prohibited on such cars.

The QLD licence angle wont work either P platers have been banned from driving turbos here since july 1 2007

^^^ What he said.

I want to know what a 33 year old bloke was doing with a 15 yo girl friend who was already 7 months pregnant...... ummmmmm

I was going to say the exact same thing. Man when will people learn this is called "jail bait".

[scathing]

Interesting point was raised a while ago ( although it was on tv so it must be true ) was that the safest driver's on the road are the P platers as they remember all the road rules compared with drivers of verying ages.

Remembering the road rules doesn't mean obeying the road rules.

[KEVGTR]

^^ I agree

[RT33]

Since turbo diesel is ok to drive i reckon you should get a TDi Golf. I saw my cousin for the first time in 10 years and he rocked up in one.

He's got a piggy back ecu with 3 switchable maps. No other mods. Has about 100kws. Not the fastest thing out there but its pretty zippy. Has heaps of room inside so you can fit your mates in there (if your even allowed to carry passengers these days)

[gmx]

The suspension is however long it is when you lose all your points... I don't remember the exact value of the fine but it is in excess of $600. It is a 7 point demerit.

To prove you have QLD residency you will need a QLD licence. To prove you have residency I imagine you will need some paperwork proving you live in QLD like a bank statement in your name or something... I don't imagine a policeman officer accepting anything other than a QLD licence should one pull you over.

From what I have heard it is easy to get the exemption if you have a legitimate requirement to drive a prohibited vehicle. If you don't have a legitimate requirement, you won't get an exemption.

If you want a fast P plater vehicle, look into a V35 350GT. More powerful, economical and comfortable than a R33 GTS-t.

School holidays ftmfw!

Those are under the high powered 6 cylinder car restriction.

Exemption worked for me...

[scathing]

Those are under the high powered 6 cylinder car restriction.

The 350Z is. The V35 Skyline is not.