Nsw Police And Radar/lidar

[jawrgy]

Just wondering do police still use radar or has it been replaced by LIDAR. Or do they still use both?

[Sheng]

why you asking mate?

[xALmoN]

always good to know your enemies.

[oweban]

most if not all are lidar now

[jawrgy]

most if not all are lidar now

Thought so.

[nuclear_skyline]

Please tell me you're not thinking about a detector... are you???

[MBS206]

The car itself is still Radar.

Hand held = LIDAR.

[s13_Skyline_inside]

mbs206 is right, its wonder when google brings up lidar is only accurate if you are stantionary and radar is the only one that will work from a moving vehicle

[gizzmo]

I use a radar detector highway patrol uses Ka band radar handheld guns are lidar and the new safet camera's k band

I can show you if you at cruise on Sun...

[Yeedogga]

As above,

LIDAR refers to the hand-held (or tripod mounted) device. The operator must be stationary.

RADAR refers to a device attached to a police vehicle. Can be used whilst stationary or moving. However in moving mode, the RADAR device is only able to detect vehicles approaching the patrol car.

Click here for some helpful information.

Cheers

Chris

[N-DAWG]

http://blog.trapster.com/2009/11/04/police-radar-laser/

Trapster just posted this on FB about 5 minutes ago, pretty much sums up the different types of Radar and Laser used by Police, though based in the US.

[oweban]

The moral of the story is that radar detectors are illegal in NSW.

Don't speed, don't get caught.

/thread

[N-DAWG]

The moral of the story is that radar detectors are illegal in NSW.

Don't speed, don't get caught.

/thread

True, but there's no denying that a lot of speed traps are set up intentionally to raise revenue. I'm not sure about here, but in QLD they're notorious for the way they set up mobile cameras now.. steep decents around curves are their favourite, or behind bushes with a sign parallel to the road virtually unreadable by motorists.

If they're set up in a way to encourage motorists to slow down, as opposed to simply maximising revenue then I don't see an issue. There are a lot of spots where I think fixed cameras need to be to ensure no one speeds through the areas, but that won't make money. The NSW Government said it themselves that the mobile cameras were brought about to close up a 30million dollar gap in the budget where fixed speed cameras weren't making money.

I don't agree in use of speed radar detectors, there should be no reason for any anti-radar devices. Putting this money into repairing dodgey roads would be the first point of reducing road accidents IMO. More police patrolling the roads instead of sitting in mobile speed vans would be the next step to encouraging safer driving on the roads. Of course this is a double-edged sword, particularly for drivers of modified sports cars, but lets face it, police presence on the roads discourages people from speeding and driving in a negligent manner... not a chance that they could get caught by a hidden camera and meanwhile it doesn't stop a fatality from occuring...

[oweban]

True, but there's no denying that a lot of speed traps are set up intentionally to raise revenue. I'm not sure about here, but in QLD they're notorious for the way they set up mobile cameras now.. steep decents around curves are their favourite, or behind bushes with a sign parallel to the road virtually unreadable by motorists.

If they're set up in a way to encourage motorists to slow down, as opposed to simply maximising revenue then I don't see an issue. There are a lot of spots where I think fixed cameras need to be to ensure no one speeds through the areas, but that won't make money. The NSW Government said it themselves that the mobile cameras were brought about to close up a 30million dollar gap in the budget where fixed speed cameras weren't making money.

I don't agree in use of speed radar detectors, there should be no reason for any anti-radar devices. Putting this money into repairing dodgey roads would be the first point of reducing road accidents IMO. More police patrolling the roads instead of sitting in mobile speed vans would be the next step to encouraging safer driving on the roads. Of course this is a double-edged sword, particularly for drivers of modified sports cars, but lets face it, police presence on the roads discourages people from speeding and driving in a negligent manner... not a chance that they could get caught by a hidden camera and meanwhile it doesn't stop a fatality from occuring...

I agree with a number of your points; a greater presence would encourage people to slow down more than the hidden cameras (cops hiding behind rails etc). I understand the idea is that they can be "anywhere", so to always stick to the limit, but the truth is that people are always going to speed. Watch what happens when a HP cruises along at the limit; NOONE will speed around him.

I thought the gap they wanted to fill was 103 mil? But there's one in Bulli, NSW that got 6 people last year apparently. Now they'd consider that a failure cause it made fk all money (like $1350 or something), but I consider it a win; it would be VERY easy to speed through there, but the camera makes you slow down. A well-done camera, IMO.

All in all though, on the freeway, if you're speeding, you run the risk of getting caught. I know 100 can be very boring, and I've been booked for speeding myself, I'll admit fair and square, I was doing the wrong thing and got done. So I've learned my lesson, and slow down now (and wish and wish and wish that there was a cop around when P-platers scream past at 140km/h).

There'll always be two sides of this; if they don't want people speeding then they can modify cars so they have GPS and can't go over the speed for the zone Although then the whole "big brother" thing kicks in... There'll never be a way to get everyone to do the limit. Then you'd get people in 60 zones doing 60 around sharp corners sigh.

[Aaron BNR32 GTS-T]

i got done by lidar 123 in a 100 zone

only booked me for 10 though

[rob 240]

True, but there's no denying that a lot of speed traps are set up intentionally to raise revenue.

Putting this money into repairing dodgey roads would be the first point of reducing road accidents IMO.

More police patrolling the roads instead of sitting in mobile speed vans would be the next step to encouraging safer driving on the roads. lets face it, police presence on the roads discourages people from speeding and driving in a negligent manner... not a chance that they could get caught by a hidden camera and meanwhile it doesn't stop a fatality from occuring...

here here . in nsw , radar / laser traps are used to tax motorists for exceeding an arbitrary limit set below the actual traffic flow speed . money straight into the state govts pocket .

we need visible patrols and proper driving training and safer roads . not speed / revenue cameras .

remember that he RTA deliberately sets speed limits BELOW the safe traffic speed and the ACTUAL traffic speed because they treat drivers as morons + its easy to raise revenue if they do . have a look at the south cost beyond kiama .. was always a safe 100k limit , overnight without reason they changed to 80k which everyone ignores as its too slow . the locals are pissed . the radar traps are there now . not before . only after the signs were changed

Edited October 8, 2010 by rob 240

[-= SKiZO =-]

I have a question - can a Police car in a side street accurately detect speed of a vehicle travelling perpendicular to them.

I got done earlier this year by a guy who would have had a 45deg angle on my car at best. Can the mounted cameras work at those sorts of angles? They weren't using a handheld outside the car as I spotted them almost immediately. I wouldn't have thought the handhelds work inside of the windshield so I assume it was just the car mounted radar that got me.

[Prue]

we need visible patrols and proper driving training and safer roads . not speed / revenue cameras .

Wouldn't the government need more money to employ more police officers, put on driver training courses & fix more roads??

[MBS206]

here here . in nsw , radar / laser traps are used to tax motorists for exceeding an arbitrary limit set below the actual traffic flow speed . money straight into the state govts pocket .

we need visible patrols and proper driving training and safer roads . not speed / revenue cameras .

remember that he RTA deliberately sets speed limits BELOW the safe traffic speed and the ACTUAL traffic speed because they treat drivers as morons + its easy to raise revenue if they do . have a look at the south cost beyond kiama .. was always a safe 100k limit , overnight without reason they changed to 80k which everyone ignores as its too slow . the locals are pissed . the radar traps are there now . not before . only after the signs were changed

The rta sets them below the safe speed because Australians have a mentality of "ten to twenty kays over is okay, I'm not a murderer"

so the rta does a calculation of actual safe speed, minus the amount people will speed by (10 to 20) and then you have the speed limit.

As for that Kiana section, I used to go down that road once every 2 weeks when it was a hundred zone, I passed a speed trap everytime, each time I go through there now ( a bit less often now) Ive seen a copper once... But yes, that zone change for those abiding by the limit is ridiculous, but as above people were actually doing 110 to 120 through there. Now they do 100...

As for them hiding, it's to put in your mind they may be everywhere, keep to the limit all the time, unfortunately, this isn't working as people struggle to think of the consequences, hence why they now have signs up "speedin will cost you X"

they wouldn't have to do any of this, if people would learn to stick to the limits, and don't drive like a tard... Unfortunately Aussies love to speed and/or crash.

Oh, and I never used to be an angel on the road, but after being done twice and let off for another, I now stick strictly to the limit... I learnt my lesson the second easiest way.

[jawrgy]

Blehh i just feel i have become more of an unsafe driver when i check my speedo every 10-15 seconds to make sure im not over the limit and check every mirror and my surroundings for cops when i go to overtake. If i wasnt so paranoid about cops being hard cord on 10-20 over the limit i would have my eyes 100% on the road and would in my mind pose less of a risk as i would not need to glance at my speedo and mirrors every other second and take my eyes off the road.