Should A 300km Per Hour

[R32 Stuart]

Should a 300km per hour road car be allowed to run slicks without approved roll cage - seat - harness - net - kill switches - etc at a club, state or national level in Sports Sedan Class

Yes or No answers appreciated?

[Burgz32]

um NO!!

[Tuk Tuk]

No

[Duncan]

of course not. it is extremely dangerous for the driver and other competitors

but as usual CAMS regs are way behind actual development of the cars that compete under it. the entrant/s in question have no obligation to do more than CAMS require.

[Risking]

They won't wake up untill someone is seriously hurt or killed.

Absolutly no offense but the competitors doing so have a death wish if they think they will never come unstuck at such speed.

Going fast is one thing, protecting the one thing that matters (your life) doing so is another. One mistake by driver is fellow competitor and it's all over

[260DET]

Some modern cars straight off the showroom floor would protect the driver better than a lot of old cars with cages would in a crash. Look at most 70's cars for example, tin cans that no approved cage will make safe, relatively. But any driver with half a brain would have an approved seat belt.

[Duncan]

agreed....and it's not like a roll cage makes a car magically safe for every crash either.

but the fact is race track accidents in particular roll overs are not what manufacturers design and test for either.

but yes I would rather hit a wall in a 60klm/h offset crash in an R35 GTR than a 1600.

[R32 Stuart]

agreed....and it's not like a roll cage makes a car magically safe for every crash either.

but the fact is race track accidents in particular roll overs are not what manufacturers design and test for either.

but yes I would rather hit a wall in a 60klm/h offset crash in an R35 GTR than a 1600.

Also agree to a point, but there wasnt many cars in the 70's tin cans or not, that would exceed 220km's

Therefore this was an equaliser for safety as is controlled tyres in V8 Supercars

[LSX-438]

Blimey! who's "racing" uncaged cars, at 300km/hr no less??

what race category are you concerned/talking about Stuart.

[Duncan]

lol....given your previous questions about cages...what are your thoughts Duncan?

Vic events have an automatic "slicks require cages" rule.

[LSX-438]

lol....given your previous questions about cages...what are your thoughts Duncan?

Vic events have an automatic "slicks require cages" rule.

Lowest common denominator is a wonderful thing and automagic rules make me laugh.

Anyway who's racing at 300km/hr?

i seriously doubt anyone would be allowed to race wthout a cage.

[R32 Stuart]

Lowest common denominator is a wonderful thing and automagic rules make me laugh.

Anyway who's racing at 300km/hr?

i seriously doubt anyone would be allowed to race wthout a cage.

I don't recall the question singleing out "racing", I did specify Club, State or National, the question was aimed at vehicles capable of up to 300kms per hour.

[DJRIFT]

Should a 300km per hour road car be allowed to run slicks without approved roll cage - seat - harness - net - kill switches - etc at a club, state or national level in Sports Sedan Class

Yes or No answers appreciated?

I don't recall the question singleing out "racing", I did specify Club, State or National, the question was aimed at vehicles capable of up to 300kms per hour.

your first post says in sports sedans which i automaticly think of being racing. so i would have thought that if you are racing than you would need all this stuff as a basic to run in sports sedans. i could be wrong to.

[LSX-438]

I don't recall the question singleing out "racing", I did specify Club, State or National, the question was aimed at vehicles capable of up to 300kms per hour.

When you talk about cages, there is nobody RACING without one. Period. There is a clear line drawn right there, with no compromises as far as i have seen anyway. So within the realms of this question (about cages) it's a relevant point, and distinction made everywhere for good reason.

Brings me to my second point addressing your question Stuart, if i want to piss about in a NON-RACE category primarily intended for road cars well i have to accept that CAMS rules aren't the be all and end all in that arena. They are guidelines with a thick overlay of compromise to deal with the fact that people drive these cars on the road every day. Well, some do.

Anyway I believe anyone who wants to participate in a real CAMS Sports Sedan championship, with unadulterated CAMS rules, should... a) actually get a real sports sedan and b) go racing against real sports sedans in a c) real sports sedan championship. Simple.

[R32 Stuart]

When you talk about cages, there is nobody RACING without one. Period. There is a clear line drawn right there, with no compromises as far as i have seen anyway. So within the realms of this question (about cages) it's a relevant point, and distinction made everywhere for good reason.

Brings me to my second point addressing your question Stuart, if i want to piss about in a NON-RACE category primarily intended for road cars well i have to accept that CAMS rules aren't the be all and end all in that arena. They are guidelines with a thick overlay of compromise to deal with the fact that people drive these cars on the road every day. Well, some do.

Anyway I believe anyone who wants to participate in a real CAMS Sports Sedan championship, with unadulterated CAMS rules, should... a) actually get a real sports sedan and b) go racing against real sports sedans in a c) real sports sedan championship. Simple.

Yeah in a round about way, I think so, maybe - so I'll put you down for a YES.

So 4wd supercharged VY ute should be fine to run in (your so called) piss about Non Race category next year on slicks example lets say NSW Supersprint Type 4E. (But I think I'll go a cage anyways).

I don't agree with your later part of reply, I think everybody should be eligable to run whether the sports sedan is worth 2K or 300, real or not - as long as it is eligible as is with any class.

Secondly, don't see many sports sedans being used as daily drivers.

Lastly, if someone gets injured or killed, as above comments / replies state, there won't be entry level motorsport - it will be killed for all guidelines - what rules.

Cheers

[LSX-438]

Stuart, supersprints were invented for people who don't want to race, the category isnt about "racing" at all. It's built into the rules and enforced. Let's not try and push full CAMS regs onto our road cars. It's unfair and totally against the point of what that sport is about. Like i said, if you want real sports sedan racing, get a real sports sedan and go racing elsewhere. Type 4 in supersprints or other speed events isn't sports sedan racing, not by a long shot.\

i do wonder what's driving this recent benevolence towards speed event driver safety lately... seems to me a thinly veiled motivation to achieve something else.

Just buy an R35 stuart, you will love it. And i'm sure you could make one go faster than just about anyone out there.

[zebra]

Stuart, you were at Superlap, did you see what happened to the black S15, no cage and came 2nd best after hitting the wall at turn 4 or 5. The driver was rather lucky not to have been badly hurt, and that was on street tyres, now if it had slicks the cornering speed would have been a lot higher, and therefore woul have hit the wall a lot harder.

I agree that Supersprints entrants should not have to have cages, but I like the idea the Mexicans have, where if you a wearing slicks you will want to go flat out so you need a cage.

Bit like Andra really, If you are quick enough to run 10's as you are Stu and just look at your mph, if you have a blow out through the traps you WILL hit the wall at 132mph, I know for a fact I would want a cage around me, no matter what car i was in.

Not having a go at you, but I have seen stupid fast street cars at the strip with no cage, they rock up run a 9 with no real experience and smash the wall a nearly 140mph, with no harness/cage or any safety gear.

So I am all for safety in really quick cars

[LSX-438]

Arguing for more safety is like shooting fish in a barrel.

As far as slicks go, some of those commenting in this thread KNOW there are R compounds out-performing some slicks now.

It's a circular argument. The reality there is duplicitous/hidden agendas.

the only sensible approach; if you want to RACE, get a real RACE car, and go RACE in a real RACE category.

- you'll have all the rules under the sun to contend with, and thus (apparently) be happy forever.

[GTR32G]

Cannot base it on cars capable of doing 300kph that would be pointless, needs to be based by lap time if anything.

Could have a car that is capable of doing 300kph on slicks that may lap slower than someone in a worked Honda Civic running slicks and no cage as well so why would the 300kph car need a cage and the Civic dose not?

At the end of the day if a 300kph supercar hit the wall at high speed on slicks as it laps 10 seconds a lap quicker than my Mazda R100 that is CAMS approved with an alloy roll cage and let’s face it’s not a strong car made from fibreglass who would be more likely to be hurt. I would say me in the Mazda, the 300kph car is quicker in a straight line but corner speeds are not far off, So even basing it on lap times would be hard to say who dose and doesn’t need a roll cage.

And if we are only talking about club level Supersprint lap dashes only, my answer would be NO for no cage, it will upset and annoy a lot of people if we need to put roll cages into our road cars, I will never fit one to my GTR just to do the odd Supersprint or lap dash.

Motorsport in dangerous we all know this, and yes if you have a big crash while doing a Supersprint you may get hurt. But we don’t plan on doing that and hope it never happens. Yes you need a roll cage when your racing in a race like sports sedan or Irace, as you spend a lot more time on the race track than someone just doing sprints so more likely to have crash. That’s how I see it.

[Marlin]

I don't even get the point of this entire thread, or exactly what question the OP was asking? And I can't even read that ^^^^!