World Time Attack Challenge 2011

[Nee-san]

Notice his boost reading is blurred out too..

Only once for a minuscule second did the RPM drop into the high 4000's, there is a lesson to be learned here kids...

Also, awesome SR to allow it to live at that sort of RPM reliably.

[hrd-hr30]

If a tyre is DOT certified doesn't that make it road legal somewhere in the world; thus a semi? (serious question not a sacastic remark)

If you're going to the extremes of saying that even they're if DOT approved it's not a 'true' semi, I would raise what is the point of these ultra ultra soft 1 lap qualifying wonder tyres, except as a supplier you're going to get more people buying more of them to be competitive ... /sarcasm

Point is that the big boys are most likely going to have some sponsorship with tyres so the relevance is lost in out-right times. It's more so in the Open Class, where by 'joe citizen' is likely to gain better times with more track lapping (especially the Interstaters without local track knowledge) with a DOT R6 or Z214 as they are a more consistent tyre which are more readily available in the different sizes required by non off the shelf circuit sprint cars. This is compared to the way it currently is with he/she who has the most money to throw new uber tyres at their car each session (on top of their car build) will more than likely go quicker, just by virtue of always having better grip.

time attack don't recognise them as semi slicks. CAMS don't recognise them as semi slicks. AASA don't recognise them as semi slicks. They're not permitted in any road rallies. ANd they're not road legal. Time Attack/Superlap has always been on street tyres in Japan and here and I think that's the way it should stay.

Besides, if you did allow the Hoosier R6 type of tyre, you have exactly the same problems with people using a new set of ultra soft A6's each session.

Even if they banned these ultra soft tyres, the top teams would still be using a new set of Mediums each session, because they're fastest when they're brand new. That's just the nature of racing - and not just time attack. Its the same in any class of racing and rallying - those who can afford it will use new tyres as often as possible to get that slight edge. While others may just race on second-hand rubber bought off those guys up the pointy end. That's just the way motorsport is.

Edited August 9, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[Beer Baron]

Notice his boost reading is blurred out too..

can get a good idea of it from the fuel pressure... lol.

[DCIEVE]

The whole tyre usage issue could be avoided by limiting the number of tyres available to the competitors. Maybe open should be restricted to one or two sets to discourage using them like the pro guys. A no rules event will always be dominated by the biggest budget but this might level the playing field a little in the lower classes.

[Marlin]

That idea definately has merit.

[Nee-san]

Yup, infact it's a bit silly they haven't look at it yet !

[Russman]

I like that idea Very much.

2 sets of tyres. That's it. Actually that would already blow my budget but yeah..

[Boosted Zed]

We could only afford one set.

Hey Russman, good to put face to the name. Also good time in your R32 GTS-T which I thought was a GTR. 1 min 42 is faster than 90% of local gtr's.

About the times comparing Superlap cars to V8 Supercars, the V8's are obviously regulated and much heavier than most of the Pro class cars and designed to do lots of laps, but still....

[Russman]

Hey Russman, good to put face to the name. Also good time in your R32 GTS-T which I thought was a GTR. 1 min 42 is faster than 90% of local gtr's.

Yeah John. Good to meet you too and thanks for the advise. I'll be in touch sometime to get some of your awesome upper camber arms

[benm]

2 sets of tyres......the event would be finished by midday friday.

The only way to see more laps is more cars....

[Marlin]

I think people would alter setup until they thought they had it fastest on the Friday with their first tyre set, then first or second session on Saturday morning, BAM, smash out their best time.... then use the remaining sessions to burn the tyres up with crowd pleaser skids

That's what I'd do anyway.... hypothetically, IF I could somehow afford two sets of tyres!

Edited August 10, 2011 by Marlin

[Snowman]

The whole tyre usage issue could be avoided by limiting the number of tyres available to the competitors. Maybe open should be restricted to one or two sets to discourage using them like the pro guys. A no rules event will always be dominated by the biggest budget but this might level the playing field a little in the lower classes.

+1 - think that would work.

Also - make it so that only M compounds and harder are allowed for Open. This way there might be a bit more of a split between the Pro Class times and Open times.

[Russman]

I think people would alter setup until they thought they had it fastest on the Friday with their first tyre set, then first or second session on Saturday morning, BAM, smash out their best time.... then use the remaining sessions to burn the tyres up with crowd pleaser skids

That's what I'd do anyway.... hypothetically, IF I could somehow afford two sets of tyres!

Me too! Chase setup until you think it's the best it'll be then wind up the boost and go for it! haha.

+1 - think that would work.

Also - make it so that only M compounds and harder are allowed for Open. This way there might be a bit more of a split between the Pro Class times and Open times.

Interestingly I spoke to the Hankook guy and they only have softs and hards. No mediums yet?

[sav man]

still won't stop manifactures stamping m on ss compounds. I know the some of the tyres that are run arn't commercially available

[Marlin]

Really, you know for certain? I'm intrigued!

[wolverine]

he has a few little tricks in that cyber car that help get it moving fast.

Care to share 'car whispering sensei'??

[sav man]

Really, you know for certain? I'm intrigued!

One of the tyre dealers down here offered to bring some super softs up, and do tyre fitting etc. He was told that the Jap guys were brining their own tyres, and the compounds they are brining arn't avaliable to you. He has done stuff like this in the past, so he wasn't just getting fobbed off

[Marlin]

Well, the winner, Cyber, hadn't even seen the new 295 Advan prior to their arrival in Australia, in fact they were busy cutting the car up to make them fit when we arrived! lol

Cyber got their tyres out of the same bin we did. All stocks of Advan 295's came directly to Australia, not available in Japan.

Edited August 10, 2011 by Marlin

[MacGillaZ]

And people wonder why others talk of special tyres rumours around the pits on the weekend

I like the tyre & compound limitation idea in Open & Clubsprint. Would help keep the field closer as well as help differentiate the Pro times/budgets to those in Open. Clubsprint limit to only 6 tyres (can replace a non planned tyre if it's damaged or unsafe for continued use at scrutineers discretion), would be similar to what's meant to happen in Targa (correct me if I'm wrong Savman/Marlin).

[Marlin]

Using Data dot with info allocated to the particular entrant is the go (as done at Targa in years past), rather than simply white pen marking. We all know how easy it is for a cheat to replicate a car number on a tyre in white pen.

FWIW, upon return from Tsukuba, "we" were convinced that the Japanese guys had special tyres, because they were Rupert after only a lap or two..... but have since discovered it's how they're used, as previously discussed.