World Time Attack Challenge 2011

[Beer Baron]

looks like it will be tough to shake again. i'm sure any improvements will be incremental but it was already at the front of the pack.

[Roy]

That Cyber Evo may finally be fast....well based on the pictures it now seems quick enough to warrant an upgrade to the std Nissan gear

[Chris-06R]

I'm gonna put the question out there - what's the point of making everyone run on street tyres?

It can't be down to the fact the organisers are trying to keep some premise of 'road-car-ness' as the ridiculous lack of any rules mean that people are building space frame all-carbon chassis and bolting whatever the hell they want to it. Obviously this discussion came up earlier in this thread and has been done to death, and if people want to run in motorsport that is not about racing (in a door-handle to door-handle racecraft sense) and is only about who throws the most dollars at a car, good luck to them. But the one thing I don't understand is why the organisers' one rule seems to be the car must be run on road tyres. Surely that gives a massive advantage to the lightest cars in the field..?

but anyway, come Saturday morning I'll be hanging over the fence waving my flag and enjoying these machines screaming past regardless of the pointlessness of it all...

[Nee-san]

That Cyber Evo may finally be fast....well based on the pictures it now seems quick enough to warrant an upgrade to the std Nissan gear

You should try and sell them a set of Sumitomo's Lol

[Russman]

I'm gonna put the question out there - what's the point of making everyone run on street tyres?

but anyway, come Saturday morning I'll be hanging over the fence waving my flag and enjoying these machines screaming past regardless of the pointlessness of it all...

haha you answered your own question

[nut]

I'm gonna put the question out there - what's the point of making everyone run on street tyres?

It can't be down to the fact the organisers are trying to keep some premise of 'road-car-ness' as the ridiculous lack of any rules mean that people are building space frame all-carbon chassis and bolting whatever the hell they want to it. Obviously this discussion came up earlier in this thread and has been done to death, and if people want to run in motorsport that is not about racing (in a door-handle to door-handle racecraft sense) and is only about who throws the most dollars at a car, good luck to them. But the one thing I don't understand is why the organisers' one rule seems to be the car must be run on road tyres. Surely that gives a massive advantage to the lightest cars in the field..?

but anyway, come Saturday morning I'll be hanging over the fence waving my flag and enjoying these machines screaming past regardless of the pointlessness of it all...

Tube frame chassis extensions are allowed, but according to the rules it seems impossible to use FULL tube frame in Pro class. Tube frame chassis extensions are NOT permitted in open class and clubsprint. So it is not pointless IMHO..

Category 3 – Pro Class Rules

Chassis

• OEM strut towers must be retained.

• OEM firewall must be retained. Modifications to the firewall are allowed for roll cage, engine fitment, transmission fitment and wiring. All holes must be sealed. If the firewall is provisioned for to allow clearance for a different engine or allow gearbox/drive train fitment, all material must be replaced with the same thickness sheet metal as the factory material.

• The rear most part of the engine block may be no more than 2 inches rearward of the most forward point of the firewall, If the vehicle is rear engine, the front most part of the engine block may be no more than 2 inches forward of the most rear point of the firewall.

• Chassis rails may be modified for fitment issues, all chassis rail modifications must be submitted to the promoter for approval.

Edited June 28, 2011 by nut

[nut]

Yes, my point exactly. We have no delusions of defying physics, especially in the time attack format with available tyre selections.

would you like to try the evo? cheaper, lighter, nice awd system and it has 4 doors

I just found evos are quite popular here in WTAC

Edited June 28, 2011 by nut

[nut]

I'm gonna put the question out there - what's the point of making everyone run on street tyres?

Using street tyres make the event 'friendly' and 'close' to everyone, it encourages street cars to race in the event, in the end a WIN-WIN for both car enthusiast and the industry.

Sorry I should reply it in one post...

[djr81]

Using street tyres make the event 'friendly' and 'close' to everyone, it encourages street cars to race in the event, in the end a WIN-WIN for both car enthusiast and the industry.

Sorry I should reply it in one post...

That is nonsense. The entrants I know who are having to run on "street" tyres have left their R compounds at home in the shed. It is a nonsense rule aimed at artificially dividing the classes. In any case people end out going out & buying the closest tyre to an R compound they can find.

[Beer Baron]

the whole thing with running on street legal tyres basically adds another control to things. for example for big GTRs etc if they could run 300+ wide slicks then we'd be seeing well over 1000hp and probably more like 1500hp+ on those cars. but since they must buy semi slicks that limits the size (semis are not available in super wide sizes) and of course limits total traction making too much power useless. yes it does give an advantage to lighter cars that use those tyres better but no one puts a gun to any entrants head and makes them enter. people enter because they want to. because it's fun. it's a great form of racing. and look at the cars it's brought out and look at the effort people are going to. it's all positive in my eyes.

[phunky_monkey]

Agreed!

[PHaT MR30]

Out of interest, is there a rule which states how many tyres/wheels a car can have on any axle?

[Beer Baron]

haha, I like your style. I shall call you ken tyrell. and no I don't believe there is currently a restriction on how many wheels you can run on each axle. an 8 wheel GTR would surely get over the tyre width problems of using commercially available semi slicks. just pair them up light truck style.

[PHaT MR30]

haha, I like your style. I shall call you ken tyrell. and no I don't believe there is currently a restriction on how many wheels you can run on each axle. an 8 wheel GTR would surely get over the tyre width problems of using commercially available semi slicks. just pair them up light truck style.

Haha exactly what I was thinking!!!

Ive got a feeling someone is sure to exploit that

[boxheadmr]

the GST motorsports car looks to be out now, has not made it onto the container ship is what i have understood.

[Marlin]

The yanks were dribbling that shit in the replies on the Fernandez ute.

They thought it was a truck, like an F150

[boxheadmr]

might be a bit of BS looking at a post on facebook thought, think they are going to global time attack instead

[boxheadmr]

actually i wonder how long it will take WTA to take down them from their site, didn't the guys have a similar issue with another USA car last year and it just disappeared all of a sudden from the site?

Looks like 24th June there was a post on the drivers twitter account, wonder if the Hi Octane team know yet?

http://twitter.com/#!/WestphalRacing

[Nee-san]

Perhaps they can bring back the tyre width formula they used for group A.

Someone will correct me But I think it was weight based, or is that another series ?

[sav man]

Tyre width was tied to engine capasity, but engine capasity also decided your minimum weight.