Formula One 2012

[wolverine]

...and refueling while they are at it.

[sh@un]

only if they can come up with a foolproof way to prevent drivers taking off with the hose still attached

[wolverine]

Anything that gets F1 cars running closer to their quali times.

Surely at this level of sport they can fix issue of premature departure.

[sh@un]

you'd think so, but look how many issues there where in the last season they ran refueling

simple solution would be a mandatory minimum required stationary time (a second or two?) that starts after the fuel hose is decoupled

[Roy]

Cars cannot select first gear until the fuel hose is removed and prox switch confirms

[89CAL]

Cars cannot select first gear until the fuel hose is removed and prox switch confirms

Yeah its not hard to do something that would sense the nozzle and lockout the gearbox till it was out, I'm suprised they didnt just add a system like this to the cars

[tweety bird]

Lewis Hamilton has been forced to backtrack after accusing Jenson Button of unfollowing him on Twitter only to realise he wasn't following him to start with.

''Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn't," Hamilton said on his Twitter feed on Monday.

"Funny thing is, we are STILL teammates! All good tho, I plan on giving this team & fans all I got til I cross the finish line in brazil!!!."

An hour later, though, Hamilton was forced into a U-Turn in front of his 1.1 million followers as it turns out Button never followed him to start with.

"My bad, just found out Jenson never followed me. Don't blame him! Need to be on Twitter more," he Tweeted.

http://www.planetf1.com/news/3213/8147648/Lewis-U-Turn-On-Perceived-Snub

lol noob..

[tweety bird]

Red Bull does not believe the double-DRS it has run since the Singapore Grand Prix has been key to its turnaround in form.

Sebastian Vettel put himself firmly back in the hunt for the world championship with victories in Singapore and Japan - as it emerged in Suzuka that the team has followed Mercedes' lead and raced a double-DRS.

Unlike the Mercedes version that channels air through a duct to stall the front wing, it is understood that the Red Bull version flows the air to the beam wing to help stall that and the diffuser.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103227

analysis of it here.

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/878/1012.html

[Granthem]

Grosjean will decide the championship winner by the looks of things. Whoever stays out of his way is a good chance

[sav man]

Refueling is done is heaps of categories all over the world. It's not really an issue. How many people have driven off with the refueling rig over the past 20 years?

On another note, why does Grosjean have a superlicence while Loab was blocked from getting one?!?!

Edited October 8, 2012 by sav man

[Roy]

Lewis Hamilton has been forced to backtrack after accusing Jenson Button of unfollowing him on Twitter only to realise he wasn't following him to start with.

''Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn't," Hamilton said on his Twitter feed on Monday.

"Funny thing is, we are STILL teammates! All good tho, I plan on giving this team & fans all I got til I cross the finish line in brazil!!!."

An hour later, though, Hamilton was forced into a U-Turn in front of his 1.1 million followers as it turns out Button never followed him to start with.

"My bad, just found out Jenson never followed me. Don't blame him! Need to be on Twitter more," he Tweeted.

http://www.planetf1....-Perceived-Snub

lol noob..

FARKTARD!

[Roy]

Also

"In 15 races this season, Grosjean has been involved in seven first-lap, and one second-lap, incidents."

Is anybody bothered to list them?

Also ... http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19866129

Gary Anderson used to be a commentator on the F1 telecasts in Asia and when I want in Singapore/India/Malaysia he was the only guy that had a clue and I generally go along with his way of thinking. I happen to agree with him in this instance. Japan was in my eyes his only really stupid mistake this year. The rest are all either close calls or racing incidents which are adding up to him getting a beating. Hence why I am curios to review the incidents.

Ok...from memory

- Aus GP - Lap 2 Maldanado. No way it was his fault, Faildanado was heavy handed much like he was on DiResta in Hungary

- Malaysia when he got jiggy wth Schuey in some 3 wide action on the opening lap which resulted in Schuey spinning? 100% racing incident but his hopeless lose in the slippery conditions in later laps was ordinary

- Monaco, Fezz moved over on him and he moved left clipping the front of Schuey who was on the rail behind him and to his left. 100% start line racing incident

- Spa , silly move to the right trying to shore up his inside line to the first corner. Having overtaken Hamo off the line thought he was clear but wasnt. It was miles less stupid then Hamo's move on Kamui at Spa last year at Les Combe and other incidents and had none of the malice Vettel had when running into Webber in the sphincter of the universe...so clumsy yes but not enough to demand a tar and feathering

- Now Japan which was a stupid mistake trying to keep the Sauber to the outside...to the point he didnt see the closing speed to Webber

I cant remember the other hatchet drives he is being accused of? I read them on the BBC website but dont remember them. I susepct the Spanish GP was a shocker but cant really remember it

• Australia - collides with Pastor Maldonado on lap two
  
• Malaysia - sends Michael Schumacher into a spin on lap one
  
• Spain - taps Sergio Perez and punctures the Sauber driver's right rear on lap one
  
• Monaco - squeezes Schumacher into the barriers at the start, ruining his own race in the process
  
• Britain - clips Paul di Resta, puncturing the Force India driver's right rear tyre
  
• Germany - makes contact coming down to the hairpin and picks up a puncture
  
• Belgium - hits Lewis Hamilton, sparking a mass pile-up
  
• Japan - takes out Mark Webber, sending the Red Bull driver to the back of the field
  

[wolverine]

How many people have driven off with the refueling rig over the past 20 years?

Massa..lol

[hrd-hr30]

that's not the most unbiased appraisal of some of those incidents. Starting with the first example the crash with Maldonardo in Aus. I wouldn't call that heavy handed by Maldonardo. Its standard practice for the guy who won the corner on entry to take the racing line on the exit. Grosjean shouldn't have kept his nose in there. The corner was lost a long time ago!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xpqzrk_f1-australian-gp-2012-grosjean-crash-with-maldonado_sport

[Roy]

Have you seen the incident from other angles? I re-watched the Aus GP a few weeks back and Romain gave him some space on the inside even though Faildanado was nowhere near alongside of him. In the vid you posted you can see how Romain didnt carry any throttle and took a wide line with lock on to avoid impact, he gave all the room he could.

Sure I hear what you say about the inside driver taking the racing line but the great thing about Button, Alonso, DiResta, Hulk, Senna, Kimi and to a lesser extent Webber, Rosberg and co reaslise that crowding the other guy is a pretty good way of damaging your own race result, especially when you have the job done. Romain in European GP raced like a champ with respect for others...I cant think of many times Faildanado has raced hard and neatly with others without hatchet moves of putting the other driver to the sword. I have to say you only have to look at Alonso's moves on Massa, Vettels on Webber etc to see that team mates often put the other driver to the sword as they know the other will fold to avoid clashing....its open season when you try that with other teams

[hrd-hr30]

Its not like Maldonardo struggled to make the turn - he was at normal race pace through the exit. And if Maldonardo was nowhere near alongside him, why was he leaving room through the apex?

Malaysia -

He just bumps Schumacher's right rear after being passed round the outside. No excuse for it. 100% his fault.

Edited October 9, 2012 by hrd-hr30

[hrd-hr30]

another angle of Aus GP Grosjean crash. Maldonardo clearly won the corner - fully alongside ont he way in. Grosjean had no business leaving a wheel in there at the exit - the corner was already lost. I agree he tried to leave room, but his judgement was very lacking.

[Roy]

That footage you posted of Aus GP looks bad. If you watch the BBC on boards and replay, mostly showing the lead up to the corner it doesnt look so black and white. All the commentary seems to back up Faildanado being a but ruthless.

I also just went back and watched the Malaysian GP incident. Again you cant see enough to judge on the footage you posted. BBC show on board from Schuey and then from Vettel who was directly behind and Webber got around the outside of Romain under braking and Schuey tied himself to Webber's bum and went aroun the outside. Romain hugged the corner and stayed tied and picked up some white line and kerb and drifted a tad sideways holding it too tight and when side by side just past the apex made light contact. I say light contact as thats all it took as it was a wet race, with spray and cars going side by side through turns 1, 2, 3 and 4 before contact. Fault does lie with Romain but its hardly any different to the other loads of accidents that happened in that race, several far more moronic like Vettel-Karthikayan-Button etc. DC calls Romains mistake and I agree.

[hrd-hr30]

He looked absolutely devasted in the interviews after the latest incident. As much as I reckon he's a bit of a hack in heavy 1st lap traffic, he is fast and has more potential than most newcomers show. And I do like an underdog... so it would be nice to see him finish the season with strong, clean, fast races to silence his critics. A few good races in a row and it will all blow over, as it did for Maldonardo.

[Nee-san]

Also

"In 15 races this season, Grosjean has been involved in seven first-lap, and one second-lap, incidents."

Is anybody bothered to list them?

Also ... http://www.bbc.co.uk...rmula1/19866129

Gary Anderson used to be a commentator on the F1 telecasts in Asia and when I want in Singapore/India/Malaysia he was the only guy that had a clue and I generally go along with his way of thinking. I happen to agree with him in this instance. Japan was in my eyes his only really stupid mistake this year. The rest are all either close calls or racing incidents which are adding up to him getting a beating. Hence why I am curios to review the incidents.

Ok...from memory

- Aus GP - Lap 2 Maldanado. No way it was his fault, Faildanado was heavy handed much like he was on DiResta in Hungary

- Malaysia when he got jiggy wth Schuey in some 3 wide action on the opening lap which resulted in Schuey spinning? 100% racing incident but his hopeless lose in the slippery conditions in later laps was ordinary

- Monaco, Fezz moved over on him and he moved left clipping the front of Schuey who was on the rail behind him and to his left. 100% start line racing incident

- Spa , silly move to the right trying to shore up his inside line to the first corner. Having overtaken Hamo off the line thought he was clear but wasnt. It was miles less stupid then Hamo's move on Kamui at Spa last year at Les Combe and other incidents and had none of the malice Vettel had when running into Webber in the sphincter of the universe...so clumsy yes but not enough to demand a tar and feathering

- Now Japan which was a stupid mistake trying to keep the Sauber to the outside...to the point he didnt see the closing speed to Webber

I cant remember the other hatchet drives he is being accused of? I read them on the BBC website but dont remember them. I susepct the Spanish GP was a shocker but cant really remember it

• Australia - collides with Pastor Maldonado on lap two
  
• Malaysia - sends Michael Schumacher into a spin on lap one
  
• Spain - taps Sergio Perez and punctures the Sauber driver's right rear on lap one
  
• Monaco - squeezes Schumacher into the barriers at the start, ruining his own race in the process
  
• Britain - clips Paul di Resta, puncturing the Force India driver's right rear tyre
  
• Germany - makes contact coming down to the hairpin and picks up a puncture
  
• Belgium - hits Lewis Hamilton, sparking a mass pile-up
  
• Japan - takes out Mark Webber, sending the Red Bull driver to the back of the field
  

I used to think like this, but as with everything in life, eventually you have to think "How does so much shit happen to one person ?" and the only conclusion you can draw is that they alone are the source of their problems.