S15 Vs R34

[Cowboy1600]

14.9 and 15.1, huge difference.

This thread delivers....

You've proven my point.

Hence the "15".

If it was a 15.9 then it's a very long way from a 14. As it is a 15.6/7 is still a very long way from a 14. With an exhaust and highflow filter a 15.6 is about right. It might even go a bit faster as N/A SRs respond very well to opening up the lungs. That makes a stocko a flat 16 second car (maybe a 15.9/8 if it's an extra healthy one).

[The Bogan]

If they drop 200kg they should be able to go from 15.1 to 14.9, ...or 15.6 to 15 4.

.......in theory.....I think.......who cares......

I want a 11.9 on street tyres but have only got a 12.2, now thats a long way away..

[sultanaz]

14.9 and 15.1, huge difference.

This thread delivers....

+1

[Nee-san]

Can't really think of any atmo Nissan I would bother with. nothing less then 20 years old at least.

[Nee-san]

Actually, I'de probably have a patrol.

[Brendonams]

I see all these complaints about NA skylines getting kained by v6 commies, too bad the other day I saw the same skyline I saw for sale (18,000) get it's arse owned by a v6 commodore flat out

[The Bogan]

Unless of course the driver of the commonwhore didnt know there was a "race" happening at the time, bit like the time the Honda YO raced me, he reved it up and took off with a little chirp whilst I took of normaly from the lights, he had a epic win that day and Im sure that somewhere in failbook or twatter land his win was all the talk of the day....

If my math is correct a 15 yr old NA 34 had when new 114 kw at 1550ish kg = 0.07kw/kg

a 15 yr old NA commonwhore had when new 152 kw at 1550ish kg = 0.10kw/kg

Power to weight the commonwhore wins.

Also a note to remember is that alot of the kw have fallen out the exhausts on both cars, but at least the commonwhore is alot less money now too.

Feel free to correct my math.

[Hadouken]

I see all these complaints about NA skylines getting kained by v6 commies, too bad the other day I saw the same skyline I saw for sale (18,000) get it's arse owned by a v6 commodore flat out

This makes no sense.

You've said twice, how a n/a skyline gets pwnd by a v6 commonwhore.

Internet don't lie!

[The Bogan]

More math.

A 2001 NA S15 weighs 1250ish kg with 121ish kw, 121/1250 = 0.096kw/kg

So 2001 NA Commonwhore wins with 0.098KW/KG, followed closely by 2001 NA S15 with 0.096KW/KG, dragging its arse at the rear is the 2001 NA Skyline with 0.073KW/KG.

The Skyline has 26.6% less overall power than the Commonwhore and 24% less overall power than the S15.

To find the car with the most power is easy, divide the power and the weight to give the power to weight ratio, there are alot of variables to concider though, but all things being equal the heigher the number the quicker the car.

Bugatti Veyron 736kw / 1888kg = 0.389kw/kg

Mazda MX 5 104kw / 1065kg = 0.097

R32 GTR 206kw / 1450kg = 0.142

R34 GTR 244kw / 1536kg = 0.158

New SV6 210kw / 1656kg = 0.127

New SSV 260kw / 1743kg = 0.149

New GTR 401kw / 1740kg = 0.230

Boring Thursday is boring

[Birds]

I see all these complaints about NA skylines getting kained by v6 commies, too bad the other day I saw the same skyline I saw for sale (18,000) get it's arse owned by a v6 commodore flat out

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[zebra]

TENZO!

[mad082]

More math.

A 2001 NA S15 weighs 1250ish kg with 121ish kw, 121/1250 = 0.096kw/kg

So 2001 NA Commonwhore wins with 0.098KW/KG, followed closely by 2001 NA S15 with 0.096KW/KG, dragging its arse at the rear is the 2001 NA Skyline with 0.073KW/KG.

The Skyline has 26.6% less overall power than the Commonwhore and 24% less overall power than the S15.

To find the car with the most power is easy, divide the power and the weight to give the power to weight ratio, there are alot of variables to concider though, but all things being equal the heigher the number the quicker the car.

Bugatti Veyron 736kw / 1888kg = 0.389kw/kg

Mazda MX 5 104kw / 1065kg = 0.097

R32 GTR 206kw / 1450kg = 0.142

R34 GTR 244kw / 1536kg = 0.158

New SV6 210kw / 1656kg = 0.127

New SSV 260kw / 1743kg = 0.149

New GTR 401kw / 1740kg = 0.230

Boring Thursday is boring

that tells most of the story, but not all of it. how an engine delivers it's power will give a better indication of how fast it will be. plus gear ratios. for example, if a commodore had gear ratios similar to those of a skyline then they would give even mild turbo skiylines a bit of a scare because of the amount of low down power they produce compared to small engined turbo cars. they would also be a nightmare to launch without a ploom of tyre smoke.

[Borci88]

More math.

A 2001 NA S15 weighs 1250ish kg with 121ish kw, 121/1250 = 0.096kw/kg

So 2001 NA Commonwhore wins with 0.098KW/KG, followed closely by 2001 NA S15 with 0.096KW/KG, dragging its arse at the rear is the 2001 NA Skyline with 0.073KW/KG.

The Skyline has 26.6% less overall power than the Commonwhore and 24% less overall power than the S15.

This is a terrible equation anyway purely because 90% of commodores are auto, 99% if not ALL S15s are manual. Gear ratios would be a lot shorter in the S15 and thus better for acceleration. I think .002 less of a KW/KG would be negated due to the slug auto verses quick shifting and short gears.

[The Bogan]

All the vehicles I used were 2001,manuals, with specs taken from "carsales" if you start comparing auto and manuals your wasting your time .the history and service condition of the car has more impact than auto Vs manual IMO.

Just like comparing cars from different years,.

pointless boy race pissing content is pointless,

Either go to a race track or drag way, interweb pissing wars about penis size are fought without brains or common sense..

Borc188, where did you get your facts about the amount of manuals and autos for S15s, a quick search seemed to disprove this, were you using the AUD or the JDM or a mixture of both, or was it just a quess ?

[Birds]

Comparing cars on paper for drag outcomes is dumb. Not only are there too many variables in it, that people never seem to take into account (gear ratios being my favourite), but most people on the road do not know how to drag and would struggle to get the factory/test 0-100 times for their vehicles. Even autos can be launched poorly in the traffic light GP.

[The Bogan]

Comparing cars on paper is the first step in working out their performance, why do you think power to weight ratios are considered before race care and drag cars are built.

Yes their are a plethora of things to consider, but power to weight is the first quick bit of hasty calculations to work out the performance potential.

[Borci88]

Borc188, where did you get your facts about the amount of manuals and autos for S15s, a quick search seemed to disprove this, were you using the AUD or the JDM or a mixture of both, or was it just a quess ?

I pulled it out of my arse, wouldn't you also assume that most S15s would be Manual while most VTs and the like would be Auto?

[Cowboy1600]

I pulled it out of my arse, wouldn't you also assume that most S15s would be Manual while most VTs and the like would be Auto?

Fair assumption I reckon.

And S15 Autech NAs still won't pull a 14 stock. They might break into the 15s.

[The Bogan]

I pulled it out of my arse, wouldn't you also assume that most S15s would be Manual while most VTs and the like would be Auto?

No I wouldnt assume, I would do a bit of research and come up with something like around 5% of VT are manual and around 75% of S15 are manual.

But what has that got to do with anything anyway, what if the S15 was a Auto ?? who cares, that isnt the issue, you are not comparing transmissions, you are comparing the performance of different vehicles, and without them having the same platform it would not be accurate, to be fair I chose to use the same platforms for all cars, hence all cars are standard NA and manual.

In the end I dont really care how slow NA cars are, but I do like a good discussion as long as relevant facts are used.

I assume you understand

[Borci88]

Now you're just being silly for the sake of being factually correct in any way possible. You know most S15s would be manual and you also know that most VTs would be manual.

If an NA S15 came up against a VT at a TLGP you can safely assume that the S15 would be manual and the VT more than likely auto.

Don't need to get all smartarse with your italics just to prove a point. If you really did care about being factually correct you would go and research and post the official manufacturer 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

Oh and just FYI you didn't choose the same platform, you chose Weight + Power, no where does that suggest what an actual manual versus auto will do, no doubt the manual would be quicker but you haven't proven that yet have you.

You want to be serious? You would assume a 20% drivetrain loss with a VT as MOST would be automatic, the S15 would have maybe a 10-15% loss due to majority of them being manual, so out goes your power to weight theory and that's not even counting the shorter gear ratios of the S15s.

We're comparing apples with apples here so I don't understand why you want to come off as the know it all in the thread when to begin with they're both shit cars in NA form.