E85 Injector Question

[Adz2332]

Hey all,

Just need help pulling the trigger.

Im upgrading my fuel pump and injectors to run e85.

Ive read through the E85 thread but just need some advice pulling the trigger.

Im aiming for around 400kws in my 33 GTR.

Im going to use the intank walbro E85 pump, should be big enough?

The injectors im deciding between the

BOSCH EV14 1000cc + 11mm Extensions + Plugs

or the

BOSCH 2200cc Injectors + 11mm Extensions + Plugs

Will 1000cc be big enough? ive been told buy the sales team of the place im getting them for they should be?

Or for an extra $200 go the 2200cc injectors. But reading have said they arent as easy to tune or something?

Any advice or real world knowlage of these two in your own cars would be great

thanks

Adam

[GTSBoy]

You need at least 740cc injectors to support that sort of power on 98. Given that e85 needs more than 50% extra injector capacity to be safe, then 1000cc injectors is actually a bit on the slim side. I'd be looking at something bigger, but not as big as the 2200s. There's ID1300 and so on available, yes?

[Adz2332]

And what are the diff between IDs 1000 and Bosch 1000?

[GTSBoy]

ID1000 are Bosch EV14s modified by Injector Dynamics.

[Adz2332]

Ok thats what i was thinking, just getting myself confused...

Does that go for the stainless insides of the 1300cc boschs?

Is there really that much of a differance between the standard bosch and the ids?

[GTSBoy]

It is my understanding that any of these Bosch EV14s need to be modified for use on liquid fuels, as they are originally gas injectors. I might be wrong, but that was my understanding.

[BoostdR]

The ID2000 spray pattern is pretty poor and linearization becomes a problem below 1.4ms pulse width. This causes all sorts of issues with E85 from poor idle control, poor engine response to cylinder bore washing. They work but users need to understand the additonal risk...fuel dilution etc

[Adz2332]

Yer thought I read something like that. So would the bisch 1300 do the trick then?

[scotty nm35]

It is my understanding that any of these Bosch EV14s need to be modified for use on liquid fuels, as they are originally gas injectors. I might be wrong, but that was my understanding.

The 1000's are fine, the 2000's are natural gas injectors.

If ID actually release the 1300's for sale (I hear they are having issues supplying them atm) they would be the best option, until then the 1000's are your best choice, with a higher base fuel pressure to bump them up into the 1300-1500cc flow area. Be wary buying from the US as a warranty from there is almost useless. (by the time you pay for shipping back to ID and wait a month for them to be returned.)

The other option is Moran injectors, not cheap but there are plenty of sizes to chose from, and they spray beautifully, but you will need a 10 micron filter for them or your warranty is void.

[Adz2332]

What do 1000s usually max out at?

[Adz2332]

Any other options for slightly bigger as those morans are damn expensive

[scotty nm35]

What do 1000s usually max out at?

What fuel pressure do you want to run?

[scotty nm35]

Any other options for slightly bigger as those morans are damn expensive

Not for E85, there are 2200cc continental/VDO injectors for petrol vehicles, but I have never seen them used, and they are a little more expensive than the Bosch 2000's last I checked with my wholesaler.

[NYTSKY]

I made 430rwkw with 1000s on E85.

[Adz2332]

Bosch 1000s? If so sold!

[XRATED]

The 1000's are fine, the 2000's are natural gas injectors.

If ID actually release the 1300's for sale (I hear they are having issues supplying them atm) they would be the best option, until then the 1000's are your best choice, with a higher base fuel pressure to bump them up into the 1300-1500cc flow area. Be wary buying from the US as a warranty from there is almost useless. (by the time you pay for shipping back to ID and wait a month for them to be returned.)

The other option is Moran injectors, not cheap but there are plenty of sizes to chose from, and they spray beautifully, but you will need a 10 micron filter for them or your warranty is void.

The moran injector fan/spray angle is very wide... I allways wondered if you'd get to much wetting down against the intake mani wall.

Ever seen a set in a GTR?

J.

[scotty nm35]

They would make more than that, if the Walbro can keep up the flow at high pressure. (according to the flow chart it should...)

I can quote you some prices via PM if you like.

[scotty nm35]

The moran injector fan/spray angle is very wide... I allways wondered if you'd get to much wetting down against the intake mani wall.

Ever seen a set in a GTR?

J.

Not yet, the EV14's are the big seller, the Morans are always too expensive at around $250-$300 each, depending on size.

[Adz2332]

Thanks guys, youve put my mind at ease.

And at 660 del u cant really complain